If the Lakers fails to win a championship this year

[ChrisRichards]

Also, Kobe needs to shoot at least 45% in the series, otherwise deal is void.


I just realized, 45% is considered a career high for Kobe for cryin out loud

[Koolaid_Man]

thats more like it papi. I like the humility and your logic way of thinking.

I'll tell you this. If Kobe wins a championship against a prime Lebron this year, all key players in good health, I'll accept the notion that Kobe will forever be part of the Top 10 group. It's hard to kick a guy out with 6 championships and 3 FMVP's so he's in.

If Kobe loses to Lebron, then Kobe's out of the Top 10 talk...for good. no more buts, ifs or 81 point argument from his fanbois, no sir.


If Lebron loses to the Lakers this year, yeah, its fair game, I don't think you can include a guy with more Finals series losses than NBA ring in the Top conversation again.

Slow down homeboy Lebron is no lock to get there again..they barely beat Indiana that series could have easily gone Indy's way. NY is easily capable of beating the Heat along with an improved Philly team. but even as we speak Lebron has more finals losses than les...regardless if Kobe rings again or not he's definately top 5...not too many people with more rings , points , and acclaim.....as much as you'd like to you can't rewrite history..

Like Frank Sinatra said: "Kobe did it his way."

[Duncan2177]

mike brown coaching decisions are the most worrying aspect tbh

Yea good coach

[Bynumite]

Also, Kobe needs to shoot at least 45% in the series, otherwise deal is void.


I just realized, 45% is considered a career high for Kobe for cryin out loud

On that note, Bron Bron won't be playing argentina and france anymore. He won't have a layup fest vs the lakeshow with D12 guarding the rim.

Expect his shooting % to recede even faster than his hairline, when the time comes and his highly su ious jumper becomes his go to move

[ChrisRichards]

they barely beat Indiana that series could have easily gone Indy's way.

Who cares, its a result.

NY is easily capable of beating the Heat along with an improved Philly team. but even as we speak Lebron has more finals losses than les...regardless if Kobe rings again or not he's definately top 5...not too many people with more rings , points , and acclaim.....as much as you'd like to you can't rewrite history..

NY and Melo aint doing jack to anybody in the East. That team was formed for the lulz tbh. Philly? Is this serious? Bynum fooled everyone for sure. Brad Daugherty type of career tbh.


WTF, Kobe ain't no Top 5. I was gracious enough to put him Top 9 or 10 so far but another horrible NBA Finals defeat with an All Star Cast should cast him to the likes of Garnett, Dr J, David Robinson tier. You don;t lose an NBA championship with HOF'ers like Gasol, Dwight and Nash.

Like Frank Sinatra said: "Kobe did it his way."

He sure did

Dude couldn't take no for an answer.

[ChrisRichards]

On that note, Bron Bron won't be playing argentina and france anymore. He won't have a layup fest vs the lakeshow with D12 guarding the rim.

Expect his shooting % to recede even faster than his hairline, when the time comes and his highly su ious jumper becomes his go to move

You can laugh all you want. Lebron's legacy is safer than Kobe.

3X MVP (One of 8 players in history)
NBA Champion, NBA Finals MVP, Regular season MVP all in the same year (Kobe has never done this)
8x NBA All Star
6 X NBA All First Team
4 x NBA All Defense 1st team (Deserving of all fyi)
NBA ROY (Kobe has never won this)

1 of 8 players to score 2000 points in 7 consecutive seasonsn (Kobe not included in this list btw)
1 0f 3 players to average 30 ppg 7 rpg 7 apg (Jordan, Robertson)
1st Basketball player to record a triple double at the Olympics
1 of 3 players to recors a triple double in their playoff debut (Kobe first rookie to airball 3 consecutive shots in a playoff clincher fwiw)

Career playoff average of
28.5 PPG 9.0 RPG 6.7 APG 1.7 Spg
50% FG 27.1 PER


*Kobe in comparison
25.6 ppg 5.1 rpg 4.7 apg
44% FG 22.4 PER

[ElNono]

Too early to tell, IMO. And we probably won't know until Dwight is out there playing.

If Kobe plays the 2nd/3rd banana role, then he obviously maximizes the Laker's chances. If that were to happen, then you can pin the blame on Dwight/Nash...

If it's anything like the last couple of seasons, then you have to pin it on him...

[Venti Quattro]

Is it true that doctors cleared Dwight to play in the opener?

[ElNono]

Does Mik Brwn even matter? The best he can probably do is get out of the way and let Nash handle things...

[ElNono]

Is it true that doctors cleared Dwight to play in the opener?

I heard it was just a rumor so far..

[LkrFan]

Is it true that doctors cleared Dwight to play in the opener?

@FritzOnSports

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@DwightHoward when can you start hitting the weights again bruh?

DwightHoward

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@FritzOnSports jus started

D12 Tweet

[Kidd K]

Can't blame anyone before knowing who's fault it will be.

There's always a chance Kobe won't shoot the Lakers out of the series they eventually lose in, so I can't in good faith blame him until it happens.

I also wouldn't blame Mike Brown either. Technically he never had the same players Jackson won with. He inherited a declined Kobe, and no Odom. Though it's going to be hard to explain not winning with this current Lakers team. . .this is like some you put together on NBA2k while toying with the rosters before going into dynasty mode where trades actually have to be even to be made.

[Jodelo]

You can laugh all you want. Lebron's legacy is safer than Kobe.

3X MVP (One of 8 players in history)
NBA Champion, NBA Finals MVP, Regular season MVP all in the same year (Kobe has never done this)
8x NBA All Star
6 X NBA All First Team
4 x NBA All Defense 1st team (Deserving of all fyi)
NBA ROY (Kobe has never won this)

1 of 8 players to score 2000 points in 7 consecutive seasonsn (Kobe not included in this list btw)
1 0f 3 players to average 30 ppg 7 rpg 7 apg (Jordan, Robertson)
1st Basketball player to record a triple double at the Olympics
1 of 3 players to recors a triple double in their playoff debut (Kobe first rookie to airball 3 consecutive shots in a playoff clincher fwiw)

Career playoff average of
28.5 PPG 9.0 RPG 6.7 APG 1.7 Spg
50% FG 27.1 PER


*Kobe in comparison
25.6 ppg 5.1 rpg 4.7 apg
44% FG 22.4 PER

[Koolaid_Man]

You can laugh all you want. Lebron's legacy is safer than Kobe.

3X MVP (One of 8 players in history)
NBA Champion, NBA Finals MVP, Regular season MVP all in the same year (Kobe has never done this)
8x NBA All Star
6 X NBA All First Team
4 x NBA All Defense 1st team (Deserving of all fyi)
NBA ROY (Kobe has never won this)

1 of 8 players to score 2000 points in 7 consecutive seasonsn (Kobe not included in this list btw)
1 0f 3 players to average 30 ppg 7 rpg 7 apg (Jordan, Robertson)
1st Basketball player to record a triple double at the Olympics
1 of 3 players to recors a triple double in their playoff debut (Kobe first rookie to airball 3 consecutive shots in a playoff clincher fwiw)

Career playoff average of
28.5 PPG 9.0 RPG 6.7 APG 1.7 Spg
50% FG 27.1 PER


*Kobe in comparison
25.6 ppg 5.1 rpg 4.7 apg
44% FG 22.4 PER

another merry-go-round argument? umm no thanks...all boiled down to Kobe 5> Lebron 1...I have to remind myself: "Kool you are on a forum with a bunch of 15 year olds." No disrespect to anyone who is super young, but yall tend to say crazy things and get a little too high off paint...

[BigTex342006]

Kobe is used to dominating the ball. Nash makes an offense go by dominating and then dishing the ball to the open man. He is know to dribble all over the place, usually keeping his dribble until he finds a team-mate. So already Kobe is going to be jonesing for the ball...so when he gets it, will he have the patience and mentality to give it up to a big....or will he (like usual) take too many shots and ice his team-mates?

It is a fact that when Kobe shoots the ball more, the Lakers lose more often. He is going to be fighting 16 years of habit this coming year. Chemistry, along with health, will be the biggest issues for the Lakers...

[ChrisRichards]

another merry-go-round argument? umm no thanks...all boiled down to Kobe 5> Lebron 1...I have to remind myself: "Kool you are on a forum with a bunch of 15 year olds." No disrespect to anyone who is super young, but yall tend to say crazy things and get a little too high off paint...

Pippen 6> Olajuwon's 2?

Of course not

Championship=Team Accomplishment
Championship + Regular Season and Finals MVP= Greatness only a few has achieved.

Thats all where it boils down to, slick.


All about the PER and career numbers tbh. Lebron's a better player.

[ChrisRichards]

Kobe is used to dominating the ball. Nash makes an offense go by dominating and then dishing the ball to the open man. He is know to dribble all over the place, usually keeping his dribble until he finds a team-mate. So already Kobe is going to be jonesing for the ball...so when he gets it, will he have the patience and mentality to give it up to a big....or will he (like usual) take too many shots and ice his team-mates?

It is a fact that when Kobe shoots the ball more, the Lakers lose more often. He is going to be fighting 16 years of habit this coming year. Chemistry, along with health, will be the biggest issues for the Lakers...

This is Kobe's last hurrah for individual glory. He's going to take advantage of the fact that Nash and Dwight joined him, so its a go signal from him to let these players know that in that team the player that shoots 43% will still "eat first"

[phoenix219]

I almost wonder if the team LA has assembled would be better off with a role playing 2 that knocks down open 3s generated by Nash/Howard or Nash/Gasol. Brown already said Nash will be QBing, so if you think of the old Suns offense with Howard replacing Stoudemire, and Gasol playing the Diaw role, with Artest doing Marion style dirty work, and someone like Meeks/Jamison (stretch 4 like Frye) knocking down open 3s, Kobe's antics really might be what throws the entire flow off.

Let him play in superstar mode chucking with the 2nd unit.

[ChrisRichards]

^^^

Replace Kobe with James Harden or Joe Johnson and I'm pretty sure they'll win the championship tbh.

[Koolaid_Man]

enjoy this lil homies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIsRLZN80EY

[namlook]

Also, if Kobe loses to Lebron's underdog Heat this year, this should definitely kick Kobe out of the Top 10 list for good.

Yeah that makes total sense. Using this logic Lebron should be out of the top 25 for losing to the underdog Mavs when he had a stacked team and all the Mavs had was Dirk whose entire career was a fail until he met up with Lebron in the finals.

Failure is clearly on Mike Brown, Howard and Nash. Kobe and Gasol are proven winners who have done what it takes to win it all multiple times. It's really as simple as that.

[Clipper Nation]

Failure is clearly on Mike Brown, Howard and Nash. Kobe and Gasol are proven winners who have done what it takes to win it all multiple times. It's really as simple as that.

So if Food Stamps has another vintage 3-21 night in a series-deciding game and the Lakers lose, it's still Mike Brown, Dwight, and Nash's fault? Go back to Lakersground, son...

[namlook]

So if Food Stamps has another vintage 3-21 night in a series-deciding game and the Lakers lose, it's still Mike Brown, Dwight, and Nash's fault? Go back to Lakersground, son...

This is what is called pea-brained analysis that fails to comprehend the entire picture.

[Clipper Nation]

This is what is called pea-brained analysis that fails to comprehend the entire picture.

No, I would say "it can never be Food Stamps' fault because LOLRINGZZZZ" is the epitome of pea-brained analysis, son.....

[Koolaid_Man]

No, I would say "it can never be Food Stamps' fault because LOLRINGZZZZ" is the epitome of pea-brained analysis, son.....

what I'm about to say next is going to hurt....real bad



Since the beginning of NBA time "we" as in the Lakers (according to my math) win on average an NBA le every 3 yrs...and we make it to the finals on average every 2 yrs...

Basically what I'm saying is...cough couch according to the math...it's time again