SpursTalk Notice: 24-hour Downtime on Monday, Sept. 3

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm not sure I can find two new volunteers to go into the server room in such a short time. Not after what happened today anyway...

[Obstructed_View]

, now I have to move my schedule around. Oh yeah, I don't do anything.

[ElNono]

I'm not sure I can find two new volunteers to go into the server room in such a short time. Not after what happened today anyway...

I just had two drives going bad *today* on a 7+ year old RAID 5 setup... FML

Took 3+ hours to replace, rebuild and restore the whole thing... bad day to mess around with servers, tbh

[easy7]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o

[Wild Cobra Kai]

The downtime that was schedule for tomorrow has been delayed. Apparently SpursTalk has become self-aware and didn't like the idea of being taken offline. We'll try again in about a week. I'll update this thread with a date once it's decided.

Apologies for the false alarm.

SpursTalk = SkyNet?

Perhaps you could bring back the arcade...minus missile command?

[TE]

1 hour...


Hey timvp, have you thought about adding a kudos function for posters?

[ElNono]

[Wild Cobra Kai]

[Wild Cobra Kai]

1 hour...


Hey timvp, have you thought about adding a kudos function for posters?

Did you notice the change in the thread le?

[dylankerouac]

Later everyone.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

People aren't noticing the subject change.

[Muki]

I just had two drives going bad *today* on a 7+ year old RAID 5 setup... FML

Took 3+ hours to replace, rebuild and restore the whole thing... bad day to mess around with servers, tbh

A few weeks ago I had both disks in RAID1 fail within two days. First disk died, replaced with a fresh one, rebuilt the array, the next morning the second original disk died. Three years old Seagate Constellation ES2 drives (supposedly "the good stuff", enterprise grade and all that) with consecutive serial numbers, both full of bad sectors and just out of warranty. Was not impressed.

[TDMVPDPOY]

wtf do you clowns have on RAID setup worth protecting anyway?? fkn wankers

[Muki]

RAID is not about data protection, but about data availability. If a drive dies in the SpursTalk database server, nobody will notice it and everything will keep on running even while I swap the failed drive for a good one.

[Drachen]

RAID is not about data protection, but about data availability. If a drive dies in the SpursTalk database server, nobody will notice it and everything will keep on running even while I swap the failed drive for a good one.

I think that he was asking the individual users as opposed to the site itself.

For me I have a mirroring raid array to protect my mp3s, and my pictures (mostly), also I have all of my school work, etc.

[Drom John]

Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do, I'm half crazy all for the love of you. It won't be a stylish marriage -- I can't afford a carriage, But you'd look sweet upon the seat Of a bicycle built for two.

[Dex]

I just had two drives going bad *today* on a 7+ year old RAID 5 setup... FML

Took 3+ hours to replace, rebuild and restore the whole thing... bad day to mess around with servers, tbh

What platform are you running, out of curiosity?

[Muki]

I think that he was asking the individual users as opposed to the site itself.

For me I have a mirroring raid array to protect my mp3s, and my pictures (mostly), also I have all of my school work, etc.

I was referring to individual users too, and only used this site as an example.

Your array protects you from a single drive failure, but is vulnerable to motherboard (if it's a softraid/fakeraid) or raid controller (if it's a real raid) failure, and to the failure of both disks at the same time which is not as unlikely as it looks at the first glance. What's more important, it does not protect you at all from accidentally erasing e.g. your pictures by mistake. This is where the old adage "RAID is not backup" comes from. Having RAID is good, but having a reliable backup process on a secondary storage is even better. Doesn't have to be anything fancy for home use, even a simple USB drive that is synced once a week might be enough.

You can acquire the mp3s again, but you can't re-shoot all your pictures or rewrite your schoolwork, can you?

[Drachen]

I was referring to individual users too, and only used this site as an example.

Your array protects you from a single drive failure, but is vulnerable to motherboard (if it's a softraid/fakeraid) or raid controller (if it's a real raid) failure, and to the failure of both disks at the same time which is not as unlikely as it looks at the first glance. What's more important, it does not protect you at all from accidentally erasing e.g. your pictures by mistake. This is where the old adage "RAID is not backup" comes from. Having RAID is good, but having a reliable backup process on a secondary storage is even better. Doesn't have to be anything fancy for home use, even a simple USB drive that is synced once a week might be enough.

You can acquire the mp3s again, but you can't re-shoot all your pictures or rewrite your schoolwork, can you?

Well to be honest, all of my pics are on both my NAS and my laptop (and the more recent ones are also in my dropbox as I have auto upload) so it is kinda like what you describe, but I do have an extra usb drive that I am not doing anything with. Maybe if I can figure out how to automate that backup, I will do so.

[ElNono]

wtf do you clowns have on RAID setup worth protecting anyway?? fkn wankers

It was for work... in this case medical records.

What platform are you running, out of curiosity?

This specific box was running CentOS Linux with an Adaptec 3200S SCSI setup... RAID1 for the OS, RAID5 for the bulk data. On newer boxes we run either CentOS or FreeBSD depending on what's needed and use 3ware (now LSI) SATA cards for the hardware RAID. Gives us bigger sizes, cheaper drives, the ability to setup SSD raids, etc.

[ElNono]

I was referring to individual users too, and only used this site as an example.

Your array protects you from a single drive failure, but is vulnerable to motherboard (if it's a softraid/fakeraid) or raid controller (if it's a real raid) failure, and to the failure of both disks at the same time which is not as unlikely as it looks at the first glance. What's more important, it does not protect you at all from accidentally erasing e.g. your pictures by mistake. This is where the old adage "RAID is not backup" comes from. Having RAID is good, but having a reliable backup process on a secondary storage is even better. Doesn't have to be anything fancy for home use, even a simple USB drive that is synced once a week might be enough.

Agree, RAID is just availability. We backup nightly to rotating firewire HDDs. The backup drives not in use that night are stored on a fire-proof safe. If needed, we also backup offsite.

[Dex]

It was for work... in this case medical records.



This specific box was running CentOS Linux with an Adaptec 3200S SCSI setup... RAID1 for the OS, RAID5 for the bulk data. On newer boxes we run either CentOS or FreeBSD depending on what's needed and use 3ware (now LSI) SATA cards for the hardware RAID. Gives us bigger sizes, cheaper drives, the ability to setup SSD raids, etc.

Gotcha. Spoke with a fellow yesterday who had 2 drives drop on his old Xserve G5 MegaRAID, going through the whole rebuild and recovery bit. Fortunately, he was one of the techs who seemed to be worth his salt, because he actually had a *gasps* working and recent backup.

Just checking the size of the world, but guess it's not that small after all.

[ElNono]

Gotcha. Spoke with a fellow yesterday who had 2 drives drop on his old Xserve G5 MegaRAID, going through the whole rebuild and recovery bit. Fortunately, he was one of the techs who seemed to be worth his salt, because he actually had a *gasps* working and recent backup.

Just checking the size of the world, but guess it's not that small after all.

yeah, I like the looks of the Xserve, and I actually develop on Macs all the time, but I rather have the servers running Linux or FreeBSD...

[mouse]

Funny how this upgrade is right after Mitt Romney was chosen for the Republican presidential candidate.

[ducks]

he is an upgrade with what is in the office now but not by much