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But we're also going to cite those same fact checkers in our attack ads
This is what politics has devolved to in 2012.
Yay.
But we're also going to cite those same fact checkers in our attack ads
This "make up any old " goes back nearly 10 years.
It's probably why bat crazy Bible-thumpers, creationists, AGW deniers, who make up as they go along, vote the Repugs.
"We're An Empire Now...We Create Our Own Reality"
The source of the term is a quotation in an October 17, 2004, The New York Times Magazine article by writer Ron Suskind, quoting an unnamed aide to George W. Bush (later attributed to Karl Rove[1]):
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ...
"That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community
Enough with the spamming; you're like a 9-11 truther.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/rom...welfare-attack
Mitt Romney's aides explained with unusual political bluntness today why they are spending heavily and ignoring media criticism to air an add accusing President Barack Obama of "gutting" the work requirement for welfare, a marginal political issue since the mid-1990s that Romney pushed back to center stage.
"Our most effective ad is our welfare ad," a top television advertising strategist for Romney, Ashley O'Connor, said at a forum Tuesday hosted by ABCNews and Yahoo! News. "It's new information."
The welfare ad has been the center of intense dispute, with Democrats accusing Romney of unearthing old racial ghosts and Romney pointing out that the Obama Administration has offered states waivers that could, in fact, lighten work requirements in welfare, a central issue in Bill Clinton's 1996 revamping of public assistance.
The Washington Post's "Fact Checker" awarded Romney's ad "four Pinocchios," a measure Romney pollster Neil Newhouse dismissed.
"Fact checkers come to this with their own sets of thoughts and beliefs, and were not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers," he said. The fact-checkers whose ins utional rise has been a feature of the cycle have "jumped the shark," he added after the panel.
wow....
"we are going to lie through our teeth, facts be damned, because winning at all costs is what we are all about".
there is a reason this year has left me pissed off and cynical about the right wing in this country... and that pretty much is it in a nuts .
Boutons and Yoni do it all the time...
President Obama Quotes Romney Pollster Dismissing Fact-checkers
About time he has come out swinging.CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA - President Obama today seized upon a remark by a pollster for his rival's campaign to paint Mitt Romney as determined to "not let the truth get in the way" of his campaign.
Speaking to a crowd of roughly seven thousand supporters, many of them students at the nearby University of Virginia, the president said, " you can prove the cynics wrong one more time. But the other side will spend the next two months spending more money than we have ever seen in our lives - an avalanche of attack ads and insults, distractions - and sometimes they just make things up. But they've got a bunch of folks who can write $10 million checks. And they'll just keep on running them. "
The president continued: "somebody was challenging one of their ads, they just - they made it up about work and welfare…Every outlet said, 'this is just not true.' And they were asked about it and they said - one of their campaign people says: We won't have the fact checkers dictate our campaign. We will not let the truth get in the way."
http://news.yahoo.com/president-obam...-politics.html
Earlier this month, Romney expressed shock that a pro-Obama super-PAC with ties to the White House would continue running an ad in which a steelworker tied Romney to his wife's death. (The ad has run twice.)
"You know, in the past, when people pointed out that something was inaccurate, why, campaigns pulled the ad," Romney told Bill Bennett on his radio show. "They were embarrassed. Today, they just blast ahead. You know, the various fact checkers look at some of these charges in the Obama ads and they say that they're wrong, and inaccurate, and yet he just keeps on running them."
What a ing hypocritical sack of .
What, you're expecting someone whose cronies openly rig a nomination process to give two s about honesty or integrity? Please, those are small-time ideals that only You People are held to in Willard's world.....
Threre is virtually no accountability for politicians and the things they say in modern America.
political campaigns are about getting independent voters to support your guy or, failing that, turning them off on the other guy. whatever works, works.
That's the problem, like the financial sector and BigPharma, politicians, esp Repugs and tea baggers, can say and do ANYTHING and the media doesn't challenge them, or even point it out.
In the face of some horrible Repug LIE, the "we must be balanced" media simply says, in false equivalence, "on the other hand", the Dems ...
And they almost never pay any penalty, or any penalty is so small compared to the reward or profits, that the penalty is useless as dissuasion, is rolled into the cost of doing business.
I read an article that said the history goes back to Repugs ESPECIALLY being emboldened when Johnson didn't go public with the Repugs screwing the VN Paris peace talks. He let them get away with it.
This screwing of international diplomacy by the Repugs was repeated when they told the Khomeini revolution they would get a better deal after Carter was out and St Ronnie the Diseased was in. So the Iranians held embassy captives months longer. The Repugs didn't care, no more than than they cared about prolonging the slaughter of the VN war for their own political gain.
Because federal govt has been compromised and corrupted by the corporations and the 1%, govt has become completely ineffective as the only possible countervailing power.
America is SO ED and UN ABLE.
If Repug voter suppression (and election stealing like OH 04) succeeds and C-U/Rove/1% buys the WH for Gecko, some of you naive assholes will finally get the totally black picture.
And there's NOTHING Human-Americans can do to "take our country back" from the kleptocratic plutocracy that owns and operates USA for its own power and wealth. Vote for better candidates? the system doesn't produce better candidates.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 08-30-2012 at 08:17 AM.
you're the naive asshole. if Repug voter suppression, black money and disinformation fail to unseat the corporatist, war mongering 1%er currently residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the picture will be about equally bleak.If Repug voter suppression (and election stealing like OH 04) succeeds and C-U/Rove/1% buys the WH for Gecko, some of you naive assholes will finally get the totally black picture.
Fact checking gets in the way of pageantry, thus there's no place for it in 21st century American politics.
naive amnesiac, forgetting 2001-2008 of Repug misrule. If gecko/ryan get in with Congress, too, you ain't see nothing, yet.
I forgot nothing. I ed and screamed the whole way. I don't see Obama as being any improvement on the Bush years. Continuity, not change,
No worries. Republicans won't have 60 seats in the senate and according to you that kills any and all chance for a president to do anything. At least that's the excuse you make for Obama & Co.
@boutons: if you think things changed just because Repugs got thumped in 2006 and 2008, you're awfully naive.
The problem isn't the jerk in the oval office.
The problem, as the Bush administration ooh so aptly demonstrated, is the kinds of people that person will populate the goverment with.
Sorry, the extreme right wing in this country will scream for, and get, a lot of the reins of power in a Romney administration.
If you don't see that happening, you need to keep reading, mr. floater.
Last edited by RandomGuy; 08-30-2012 at 10:52 AM. Reason: dialing it back.
Yeah. Back in the day, you'll get challenged to a duel or beaten with a cane.
What kind of people did Obama populate his administration with?
The Exec's appointments are defined by the President and his APPOINTED staff. The jerk in the WH IS the problem. dubya's WH was rotten with grads from ideological, doctrinaire, Bible-thumping "Christian" scams like Liberty University.
What kind of people did Obama populate his administration with?
elections have consequences, sure. but so does overreach. if the extreme right wing gets too extreme, once in power, voters will punish them for it. like in 2006 and 2008.
and like 2008, whoever succeeds them will campaign on changing it and end up normalizing most of it. maybe even pioneer a few new abuses. Obama sure has.
it's my fond hope that the Republican populism based on hate and the Democratic one based on fear will both eventually be replaced by something else. I'm not holding my breath, but if there's one constant in politics, it's change.
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