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    I would a lot rather hire someone that gave 100% effort to the University of Phoenix and learned the course material than some off that spent most of their college years on 6th Street and got a paper from UT that says they managed to survive 5 years and barely got out.
    Still though, when you are hiring a recent college grad, one from each of the options you just listed, and they both do fine in the interview process, who do you end up picking?

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    A degree is a punch in the life ticket that allegedly gives you the knowledge to become a productive citizen. If in fact both applicants have equal knowledge and ambition I see no reason to discriminate against the UOP grad, especially if he worked to support himself while taking online classes.

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    A degree is a punch in the life ticket that allegedly gives you the knowledge to become a productive citizen. If in fact both applicants have equal knowledge and ambition I see no reason to discriminate against the UOP grad, especially if he worked to support himself while taking online classes.
    You're changing the scenario though. All things being equal, who do you hire?

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    if he worked to support himself while taking online classes.
    The House Republican Budget Would Eliminate Pell Grants For More Than One Million Students

    The budget would cut Pell grant eligibility for students who attend classes on a less-than-halftime schedule — which usually means low-income students who need to work their way through college.
    And it gets worse. Sixty percent of students who receive Pell grants also take out loans — twice the rate for college students overall — so they might be doubly hit by the Ryan cuts: In addition to receiving less Pell money, they would have to start paying interest on their loans while still in school.

    http://thinkprogress.org/education/2...n-pell-grants/

    the Repug education policies!

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    The House Republican Budget Would Eliminate Pell Grants For More Than One Million Students

    The budget would cut Pell grant eligibility for students who attend classes on a less-than-halftime schedule — which usually means low-income students who need to work their way through college.
    And it gets worse. Sixty percent of students who receive Pell grants also take out loans — twice the rate for college students overall — so they might be doubly hit by the Ryan cuts: In addition to receiving less Pell money, they would have to start paying interest on their loans while still in school.

    http://thinkprogress.org/education/2...n-pell-grants/

    the Repug education policies!
    Again, the conversation is steering in a way that you aren't paying attention too.

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    You're changing the scenario though. All things being equal, who do you hire?
    I really can't say. Plus, it would be really freaky if two applicants were exactly totally equal with the exception of where their diploma was from.

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    I really can't say. Plus, it would be really freaky if two applicants were exactly totally equal with the exception of where their diploma was from.
    Ya. At that point I would hope it would be based upon rapport/fit with the individual and the organization.

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    Again, the conversation is steering in a way that you aren't paying attention too.
    lol at the bot paying attention to anything but his RSS feed.

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    It's getting very very tempting to put the bot on ignore.

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    I really can't say. Plus, it would be really freaky if two applicants were exactly totally equal with the exception of where their diploma was from.
    The likelihood of this happening approaches zero.
    Any diploma trumps no diploma, imo. I know I'm not even using my degree currently, but without it, I'd never even gotten the interview.

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    Generally agree, but I think the point js was trying to make is that be it right or wrong, most employers are going to place more value in a degree from Texas than one from Univ of Phoenix.

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    Again, the conversation is steering in a way that you aren't paying attention too.
    you aren't paying attention, face.

    CC said he would trust a kid who worked his way through studies, and I cited his Repug team penalizing such kids.

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    you aren't paying attention, face.

    CC said he would trust a kid who worked his way through studies, and I cited his Repug team penalizing such kids.
    *enlightened progressive post*

    Yet you wouldn't mention Obama already killing 100,000 Pell Grants. Of course, that's not on thinkprogress.borg

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    Generally agree, but I think the point js was trying to make is that be it right or wrong, most employers are going to place more value in a degree from Texas than one from Univ of Phoenix.
    and real universities very often don't recognize any credits from fake universities like Phx. So a kid is suckered into wasting his time at PHX and going into tax-payer subsidized debt for nothing, while PHX pockets his tuition. aka, for-profit colleges delivering the tiest possible product for the highest possible price while sucking in $Bs in taxpayer-subsidized student loans.

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    Generally agree, but I think the point js was trying to make is that be it right or wrong, most employers are going to place more value in a degree from Texas than one from Univ of Phoenix.
    Ah. Perhaps. I would think the type of major would be a factor.

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    and real universities very often don't recognize any credits from fake universities like Phx. So a kid is suckered into wasting his time at PHX and going into tax-payer subsidized debt for nothing, while PHX pockets his tuition. aka, for-profit colleges delivering the tiest possible product for the highest possible price while sucking in $Bs in taxpayer-subsidized student loans.

    So what "real" college stole your parents money?

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    and real universities very often don't recognize any credits from fake universities like Phx. So a kid is suckered into wasting his time at PHX and going into tax-payer subsidized debt for nothing, while PHX pockets his tuition. aka, for-profit colleges delivering the tiest possible product for the highest possible price while sucking in $Bs in taxpayer-subsidized student loans.
    I have a relative whose current employer recognized her masters degree in business from Phoenix.

    Her former employer reimbursed her tuition during her employment there as well.

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    Ah. Perhaps. I would think the type of major would be a factor.
    That's definitely true. Especially any kind of science/engineering degree. Gotta have that ABET accreditation.

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    Real Universities™ often dont recognize credits from other Real Universities™.

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    and real universities very often don't recognize any credits from fake universities like Phx. So a kid is suckered into wasting his time at PHX and going into tax-payer subsidized debt for nothing, while PHX pockets his tuition. aka, for-profit colleges delivering the tiest possible product for the highest possible price while sucking in $Bs in taxpayer-subsidized student loans.
    And that's different from someone getting a worthless liberal arts degree from a state sponsored university, how?

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    I have a relative whose current employer recognized her masters degree in business from Phoenix.

    Her former employer reimbursed her tuition during her employment there as well.
    Now that you mention it, the company I work for will pay tuition for accounting courses to Phx as well.

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    Now that you mention it, the company I work for will pay tuition for accounting courses to Phx as well.
    You guys ruined my scenario of the exact same person just with different educations.....

    I suppose it is a bit unrealistic, but coyotes was right, the point I was making is that all employers will always side with the "real university" when hiring entry level employees.

    I agree that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but it is what it is.

    As for your post here Teysha, my company and the company I worked for before do the same thing. ALthough I'm yet to see anyone financially rewarded for actually completing their degrees. They say they're all for it, but then when the employee gets done, nothing changes.

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    And that's different from someone getting a worthless liberal arts degree from a state sponsored university, how?
    You bring up a good point. I remember when I graduated from HS we had a counsel come in and talk to me about going to college. There wasn't any real discussion on whether I should or what classes and degrees I should take and earn. I graduated with a useless degree from a very well respected univeristy in English with a focus on Victorian Literature.

    When I stepped out of college, I applied for quite a few jobs and took the best one I could get, bell man (sp) at the Marriott in Overland Park, Kansas. I worked there for two years trying to get a better job when I realized my only option was to go to law school and try to get a degree that could actually earn me an income.

    I hope that HS kids learn today that getting a liberal arts degree, and taking out massive debt to get such degree is almost certainly going to lead you to a job you could have had without the degree or the need to go to grad school if you ever want to make money. Maybe 30 years ago this was not an issue, but I graduated from college in 2000 and my degree had no value.

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