Why Stringer, didn't you hear? Christians will cover the rest with charity. With all the extra money rich people will be getting from tax cuts, thief religion will guide them towards funding all those sick people.
I guess they couldn't have a repeat of last time where Palin killed it on the mic got all them republicans hopes up, and ended up being a ing moron.
Siri had a Freudian slip.
Neocons
You gotta give Ryan some credit...this was a GREAT line...
"college graduates should not have to live out their twenties in their childhood bedrooms, staring at fading Obama posters and wondering when they can move out and get going with life."
I thought Ryan's speech was really good. It accomplished exactly what it's supposed to accomplish and that is to get the croud all excited and in a convention like tizzy.
I'm not sure why anyone is complaining that it lacked substance. I don't think in my lifetime I've ever heard a convention speech from someone running that actually had any substance at all. That's not what it's for.
After Obama's 2008 speech they should be embarrassed to criticize anyone for lack of substance and outright lies.
"college graduates should not have to live out their twenties in their childhood bedrooms, staring at fading Obama posters and wondering when they can move out and get going with life."
And what is gecko/Ryan plan to correct that situation, which is directly a result of the criminal Geckos causing the Banksters' Great (Jobs) Depression?
Austerity for the 99% (including middle class tax hitkes), and tax cuts for the corps and 1%. aka, the same old trickle down LIE they've been peddling for 35 years, that has flattened household income as productivity rises, that has exploded mgmt compensation, and horribly increase USA income inequality.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 08-30-2012 at 08:50 AM.
That's exactly right. If I remember correctly though, I honestly don't remember any of them ever having substance....either side.
You're older than me CC, I'm only old enough to have "cared" for the last 5 or so election cycles, but do you remember a convention speech where a politician laid out specifics on how to fix what was/is broken?
Exact same boutons response......different thread....
JS
You really have no retort, GFY
Ryan seems to be a bright guy, but I'm not sure how anyone watching his speech think he can win alot of votes or be popular. He just sounds really geeky up there with little personality. A bit feminine as well when he speaks.
Interesting how preconceptions can color interpretations. I didn't get that at all.
Well, considering that my point was that a convention speech isn't supposed to have substance and your reply asking what their plans are, I'd say it didn't merit a retort wouldn't you?JS
You really have no retort, GFY
His speech substance was fine, but he doesn't really come across as being a strong leader. Sounds a bit nerdy up there with little charisma or personality. He's a bright guy still, but not sure what kind of leader he can be.
I expected no substance in his speech last night, although I would like to see how Romney/Ryan will be reducing the deficit/debt over the short and long term. To date, I have seen promises of tax cuts and 'simplified tax code' but no details on how the debt will be reduced.
Paul Ryan Obscures His Koch-Backed Agenda With a Pack of Lies in Convention Speech
The selection of Paul Ryan was, in and of itself, a strong bit of cir stantial evidence that the Republican Party is now a wholly owned subsidiary of the Koch political enterprise
Lying to Obscure the Greed
In a move seemingly designed to taunt fact-checkers, Ryan reprised his claim that Obama broke a promise made during the 2008 presidential campaign to keep a General Motors plant open in Ryan's hometown of Janesville, Wis., but instead was ultimately responsible for its closing. But the plant closed while George W. Bush was in office, and Obama never made such a promise. (As I write, PolitiFact has already rated this part of Ryan's speech as false [4].)
Here's a taste of just how blatant the lying got, from the prepared text of Ryan's speech:
A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.
Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.
Ryan also repeated the $716 billion lie by the Romney camp, debunked here [5] by AlterNet's Joshua Holland, which recasts the Medicare budget savings built into the Affordable Care Act as a "raid" on the treasured program.
Then there were those deceptions based on sins of ommision, such as Ryan's purported proof of Obama's unwillingness to rein in the budget: the vice presidential candidate dared to speak of the Bowles-Simpson debt-reduction commission as if it was something he supported, when, in fact, it was Ryan who led Republicans on the commission to vote against its final recommendations. Likewise, Ryan failed to note that his own budget plan would trim $700 million from Medicare.
(The New Republic's Jonathan Cohn and the Washington Post's Jonathan Bernstein have excellent assessments of the fact #fail in Ryan's speech, here [6] and here [7].)
Ayn Rand, the Great Awakening and the Founding Fathers
The cognitive dissonance that clanged throughout Ryan's speech also extended to philosophical and theological references that would seem to cancel each other out, but have nonetheless come to characterize the philosophical pastiche that characterizes the talking points at Americans For Prosperity events. You've got your Ayn Rand [8] -- an atheist and Ryan's favorite philosopher -- present in Ryan's casting of Obamacare as the work of "central planners." You've got your Great Awakening in his assertion that our rights come from God, not government. (On this point, the comic Elon James White, who is African American, tweeted that if this is the case, God was a little slow.) You've got your Enlightenment-influenced Founding Fathers in Ryan's tracing of our rights to nature.
Add ire and stir, and you've got the Kochian prescription for rallying resentful white people to view government as the enemy, even though its dimunition would ultimately harm the very people enlisted as foot-soldiers in the anti-government cause, and further enrich the likes of Charles and David Koch.
Morals versus religion
Ryan is frequently depicted as pious Catholic, despite his denial of a preferential option for the poor -- a staple of Catholic doctrine, In one sign of the mainstreaming of Catholicism into the body of conservative Christian denominations, Ryan was also enlisted to vouch for Romney as a moral and pious man -- even if he is a Mormon, a member of a faith that both the evangelical Protestants and conservative Catholics who make up the Republican white-people coalition view with some su ion.
In coded language, Ryan assured convention delegates and television viewers that the morals that mattered most to them were among those most dearly held by Romney: opposition to same-sex marriage and abortion. From the text of Ryan's speech:
Mitt and I also go to different churches. But in any church, the best kind of preaching is done by example. And I’ve been watching that example. The man who will accept your nomination tomorrow is prayerful and faithful and honorable. Not only a defender of marriage, he offers an example of marriage at its best. Not only a fine businessman, he’s a fine man, worthy of leading this optimistic and good-hearted country.
Our different faiths come together in the same moral creed. We believe that in every life there is goodness; for every person, there is hope. Each one of us was made for a reason, bearing the image and likeness of the Lord of Life.
Lies, delivery and the post-fact society
The gamble the Romney campaign has made throughout this campaign, and most obviously in this year's Republican National Convention, is that the truth no longer matters, and that facts are irrelevant to the voting process. There's probably less risk to that gamble than one might think.
It has long been proven that people vote based on their emotions and their self-determined cultural iden y. Because the narrative offered by Ryan and Romney feeds on the resentment already felt by so many middle-class whites -- a sense that they are somehow being shortchanged while others advance from their previously restricted positions -- it resonates. And for the Republican voter, that's all the "truth" that matters, the "truth" that vindicates his or her rage. Facts be damned -- damned to .
http://www.alternet.org/print/electi...vention-speech
"college graduates should not have to live out their twenties in their childhood bedrooms, staring at fading Obama posters and wondering when they can move out and get going with life"
Best line of the speech, imho.
But, as everyone knows, the top priority of a recent grad is being covered by mommy and daddy's health insurance. I know that's all I could think about when I was 21.
Awash In Secret Donations, Republicans Reverse Support For Campaign Finance Disclosure
With GOP candidates relying on this flood of undisclosed money, something had to give: The party's longtime support for campaign finance disclosure laws has begun to erode.
The numbers are astounding: Groups that don't disclose their donors have spent more than $216 million in the 2012 election so far. (A previous Huffington Post report found that undisclosed cash, also known as "dark money," had reached $172 million by the end of July.) Almost 90 percent of this money has gone to help Republicans. The dark-money groups have helped to fill airtime over the summer while Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney built his war chest, have pummeled vulnerable Democratic senators with negative ads and will likely provide huge support for freshmen Republican legislators defending their seats between now and November.
As these groups, empowered by the Supreme Court's 2010 Citizens United decision and other court rulings, have become a vital weapon in the Republican Party's arsenal, the GOP has evolved its views on campaign finance disclosure.
On Tuesday, the party officially reversed course from previous party platforms and statements by enshrining its opposition to revealing secret donors in its 2012 platform. The party's guiding do ent opposes disclosure legislation "designed to vitiate the Supreme Court’s recent decisions protecting political speech in Wisconsin Right to Life v. Federal Election Commission and Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...=Daily%20Brief
Just one of Ryan's huge distortions, lies, propaganda.
Because Obama's budget that he passed each of the last three years have really helped reduce the deficit and debt. I love voting for politicians who kept their promises like cutting the deficit in half. I love voting for politicians who call 10 trillion unpatriotic but have no problem with adding 5 trillion more to the deficit.
Politicians don't give specifics. If your criteria for not voting R is because of their lack of specifics then you are not being intellectually honest with yourself. If you vote for team politics there is nothing wrong with that given the current political climate. We don’t have many options. The rhetoric and spin might make the sides appear as polar opposites, but the conclusions have been almost entirely the same for each party. Can you distinguish the last 12 years by which political party was actually in office?
I have seen nothing but spending money we don’t have, unnecessary wars, promises that cannot be kept and that are made with no intention on being kept. I have seen a president who wins a Nobel Peace Prize while having a kill list, another president who spoke and acted as if he couldn’t pass the TASP test preach the importance of not leaving children behind. Seriously, lack of specifics only matters now?
nitpicky, I know, but there hasn't been any budget bill passed for what, three, four years running now?
Is my understanding. And this has been a bipartison effort not to pass a bill. Trying to pass a bill that you know the other party will never adopt is equally as bad as not trying to pass one at all as far as I am concerned.
Please insert budget for bill above.
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