Bill Nye slams creationism

[mouse]

And you know these people are correct how?

The patient that described to doctors what she saw was blind since birth.

The patient reported subsequently that she was awakened out of anesthesia by the sound of the pneumatic saw, and then felt herself pulled out of the top of her head and viewed the operating room from above the neurosurgeon's shoulder. She accurately described the 20 doctors, nurses, and technicians in the room, 17 of whom she had never met,

[Creepn]

Humans look for patterns. Supers ion is a way of making the incomprehensible comprehensible.

I don't think anything is black and white. Everything is very grey.

Sadly that will be your answer for any kind of experience even if it slapped you in the face. I've had two physical experiences that happened in spiritual settings. I've tried to recreate it outside of a spiritual setting and it never happened.I'm sure you'll just say it's just my brain looking for patterns when I was initially not expecting anything to happen at all.

I'm only telling you this because I used to think like you. I've thought, 'it's gonna suck if nothing happens after you die because you will cease to exist forever. Double digit years compared to billions and billions of years." Not a good state of mind to be in.

[DMC]

Ok have fun pondering, fighting, and arguing over something you'll never have all the facts and answers to. Good luck on that Nobel prize Mr. Shepherd.

We know beyond a reasonable doubt that evolution exists. The rational mind will conclude that God doesn't exist. Only the zealot will continue to find ways to shove their god into the works as some nebulous concept that changes as soon as we learn something new.

[DMC]

tbh New Zealand is best for that. there's more sheep than people there.

wow

[DMC]

Are you stupid enought to think anyone gives a if you care what they believe? Aren't you a dumbass atheist? So here you are in world totally surrounded by all kinds of religious beliefs and there you are ..."you can't fool me"...what a ing re . Pull your head out of ass moron and figure it the out.

DMC...but science says that....

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

Dude, in 1936 right after Jeese Owens won the Olympic 100m in 10.2, science was asked just how fast could a human run, our limits. They put their scientific mumbo jumbo together and game up with..9.9 seconds. TCU alone has had six guys run that fast or faster. Ever think just maybe there are some thing science simply can't handle? Of course not you're a ing idiot!

You didn't graduate HS. I am not surprised you don't understand science.

[mouse]

So if there is no god, who/what designed the designer of this universe in your theory

That is a question I ask myself daily. I try and use process of elimination.

I eliminated Darwin's theory the first day.

Subjects like these you must have an open mind and some common sense with a tad of intelligence. Unfortunate that is rarely found in this forum.


Scientist want you to believe this complex organism evolved from a warm pool of liquid

Then there are complex ecosystems which do not seem to have been accidental.


The Flagellum's Rotary Engine




The engine itself [above] is about 1/100,000th of an inch wide -- far smaller than can be seen by the human eye.

Flagellum are tiny bacteria -- one cell -- that have a tail and use it to move through a liquid. Upon close examination of the tail, biologists noticed that the tail is actually rotated like an axle and powered by a biological "rotary motor" made of 15 distinct parts.
The tiny flagellum gets together with a normally immobile protozoa inside the intestines of a termite. It attaches itself to the protozoa and moves it around so the wood can be digested and secreted as "food" for the termites. Without this arrangement between three unique organisms, the termite could not exist. How did this arrangement evolve? What resisted "survival of the fittest" and caused competing organisms to cooperate?

For the motor to work and have any benefit to the flagellum, all 15 parts must function perfectly. If one part fails, the motor will not turn. So the question is then passed back to the Evolutionists. "How did this motor evolve?" There is no possibility for gradual trial and error in developing the motor. It had to have all 15 parts already assembled. It couldn't be just a beneficial mutation. It must have been planned... designed.

[redzero]

mouse still thinks it takes intelligence to copy/paste from creationist websites.

[mouse]

mouse still thinks it takes intelligence to copy/paste from creationist websites.

What do you care where I get pictures or quotes from?

Stop whining about that has nothing to do with the subject.

Either add to the discussions or just read your low mental capability to understand these matters is causing you to become a nuisance.

[Creepn]

We know beyond a reasonable doubt that evolution exists. The rational mind will conclude that God doesn't exist. Only the zealot will continue to find ways to shove their god into the works as some nebulous concept that changes as soon as we learn something new.

Sorry, don't see how evolution cancels out God. You can't prove that God doesn't exist.

Seriously, where did the sapiens come from anyway? Let's see, we got the erectus that were responsible for spreading throughout the globe. Then all of the sudden sapiens were living amognst them and even trading with them. Did the dumb hairy erectus start popping out less hairy creatures with a bigger brain capacity and slimmer bone structure? I honesty don't know.

[redzero]

I care because you claim to be intelligent, then turn around and plagiarize other people's arguments (ones that have been debunked anyway).

[DMC]

Sorry, don't see how evolution cancels out God. You can't prove that God doesn't exist.

Bible: In the beginning blah blah blah God created man from dust.

Evolution: Man is evolved from lower species.

No where does the "word of God" say "God evolved man from a microbial single cell life form".

Ergo every "evidence" you have for God's existence is rendered less reliable than The Hobbit and much less interesting.

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof" -Hitchens

Seriously, where did the sapiens come from anyway? Let's see, we got the erectus that were responsible for spreading throughout the globe. Then all of the sudden sapiens were living amognst them and even trading with them. Did the dumb hairy erectus start popping out less hairy creatures with a bigger brain capacity and slimmer bone structure? I honesty don't know.

No, an invisible sky dad poofed them into existence.

Like I said, you are uneducated when it comes to the theory of evolution but you feel smug enough in your ignorance to scoff at it and dismiss it as "no one knows".

[DMC]

mouse still thinks it takes intelligence to copy/paste from creationist websites.

It's an MIT thing.

[Proxy]

Sadly that will be your answer for any kind of experience even if it slapped you in the face. I've had two physical experiences that happened in spiritual settings. I've tried to recreate it outside of a spiritual setting and it never happened.I'm sure you'll just say it's just my brain looking for patterns when I was initially not expecting anything to happen at all.

I'm only telling you this because I used to think like you. I've thought, 'it's gonna suck if nothing happens after you die because you will cease to exist forever. Double digit years compared to billions and billions of years." Not a good state of mind to be in.

I very much appreciate 'experiences.' I feel like everything is a miracle. I'm very spiritual in many ways... but I'm not about to deter the discussion unless you want me to give you my viewpoints on that...

...we're arguing science here. We're debating and pondering our existence and it just doesn't make sense that people want to hypothesize in such a selfish way. By selfish, I mean that someone is ready to think that the universe is synchronized with human ambition. It isn't. We're a product of the model.

[Proxy]

That is a question I ask myself daily. I try and use process of elimination.

I eliminated Darwin's theory the first day.

Subjects like these you must have an open mind and some common sense with a tad of intelligence. Unfortunate that is rarely found in this forum.


Scientist want you to believe this complex organism evolved from a warm pool of liquid

Then there are complex ecosystems which do not seem to have been accidental.


The Flagellum's Rotary Engine




The engine itself [above] is about 1/100,000th of an inch wide -- far smaller than can be seen by the human eye.

Flagellum are tiny bacteria -- one cell -- that have a tail and use it to move through a liquid. Upon close examination of the tail, biologists noticed that the tail is actually rotated like an axle and powered by a biological "rotary motor" made of 15 distinct parts.
The tiny flagellum gets together with a normally immobile protozoa inside the intestines of a termite. It attaches itself to the protozoa and moves it around so the wood can be digested and secreted as "food" for the termites. Without this arrangement between three unique organisms, the termite could not exist. How did this arrangement evolve? What resisted "survival of the fittest" and caused competing organisms to cooperate?

For the motor to work and have any benefit to the flagellum, all 15 parts must function perfectly. If one part fails, the motor will not turn. So the question is then passed back to the Evolutionists. "How did this motor evolve?" There is no possibility for gradual trial and error in developing the motor. It had to have all 15 parts already assembled. It couldn't be just a beneficial mutation. It must have been planned... designed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_descent

[Creepn]

Bible: In the beginning blah blah blah God created man from dust.

Evolution: Man is evolved from lower species.

No where does the "word of God" say "God evolved man from a microbial single cell life form".

Ergo every "evidence" you have for God's existence is rendered less reliable than The Hobbit and much less interesting.

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof" -Hitchens
No, an invisible sky dad poofed them into existence.

Like I said, you are uneducated when it comes to the theory of evolution but you feel smug enough in your ignorance to scoff at it and dismiss it as "no one knows".

When did I bring up biblical accounts?

I asked you an honest question about sapiens but you instead wanted to bash me instead. Way to help educate your fellow man.

Anyway so all you got is more proof but still haven't disproved God. You can present a whole load of evidence and still won't be able to disprove God. That's why I'm smug about it.

[redzero]

When did I bring up biblical accounts?

I asked you an honest question about sapiens but you instead wanted to bash me instead. Way to help educate your fellow man.

Anyway so all you got is more proof but still haven't disproved God. You can present a whole load of evidence and still won't be able to disprove God. That's why I'm smug about it.

So, you'd believe anything so long as it can't be disproven?

[mouse]

I care because you claim to be intelligent, then turn around and plagiarize other people's arguments (ones that have been debunked anyway).

Almost every topic today has been debunked by someone on the www but what makes a debunk final?

People claimed that the Bush haters were making up lies that there were no weapons of mass distruction in Iraq and claimed to debunk the findings as it turns out it was not a lie afterall.

I can debunk your claims to being gay and at the next ST gtg you can grab my crotch in the bathroom at Koris house and prove to me I was wrong by proceeding to give me oral pleasure I will stand corrected.

Just because I post a link of photo doesn't mean I 100% stand behind it I am just showing the poster who asked the question there is evidence out there.


But I don't expect you to comprehend any of this.

[Wild Cobra]

mouse still thinks it takes intelligence to copy/paste from creationist websites.

That's an intelligent design concept.

[Wild Cobra]

Bible: In the beginning blah blah blah God created man from dust.

No, the word used is formed.

Evolution: Man is evolved from lower species.

Intelligent design does not discount evolution. It allows for a helping hand in it.

No where does the "word of God" say "God evolved man from a microbial single cell life form".

Formed is not created, as if by an instantaneous cir stance.

Ergo every "evidence" you have for God's existence is rendered less reliable than The Hobbit and much less interesting.

Nope. I disagree.

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof" -Hitchens
No, an invisible sky dad poofed them into existence.

Again, the word formed instead of mans re-imaging of the English version.

Like I said, you are uneducated when it comes to the theory of evolution but you feel smug enough in your ignorance to scoff at it and dismiss it as "no one knows".

You are uneducated when it comes to the proper translations of the oldest know Torah.

[redzero]

You are some dumb s.

[baseline bum]

I'm not really posting this to argue with mouse since he's a re , but his 'irreducibly complex' example of that flagellum has been debunked. Here's a great passage from The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins:

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The flagellar motor of bacteria is a prodigy of nature. It drives the only known example, outside human technology, of a freely rotating axle. Wheels for big animals would, I suspect, be genuine examples of irreducible complexity, and this is probably why they don't exist. How would the nerves and blood vessels get across the bearing?* The flagellum is a thread-like propeller, with which the bacterium burrows its way through the water. I say 'burrows' rather than 'swims' because, on the bacterial scale of existence, a liquid such as water would not feel as a liquid feels to us. It would feel more like treacle, or jelly, or even sand, and the bacterium would seem to burrow or screw its way through the water rather than swim. Unlike the so-called flagellum of larger organisms like protozoans, the bacterial flagellum doesn't just wave about like a whip, or row like an oar. It has a true, freely rotating axle which turns continuously inside a bearing, driven by a remarkable little molecular motor. At the molecular level, the motor uses essentially the same principle as muscle, but in free rotation rather than in intermittent contraction.! It has been happily described as a tiny outboard motor (although by engineering standards - and unusually for a biological mechanism - it is a spectacularly inefficient one).

Without a word of justification, explanation or amplification, Behe simply proclaims the bacterial flagellar motor to be irreducibly complex. Since he offers no argument in favour of his assertion, we may begin by suspecting a failure of his imagination.

He further alleges that specialist biological literature has ignored the problem. The falsehood of this allegation was massively and (to Behe) embarrassingly do ented in the court of Judge John E. Jones in Pennsylvania in 2005, where Behe was testifying as an expert witness on behalf of a group of creationists who had tried to impose 'intelligent design' creationism on the science curriculum of a local public school - a move of 'breathtaking inanity', to quote Judge Jones (phrase and man surely destined for lasting fame). This wasn't the only embarrassment Behe suffered at the hearing, as we shall see.

The key to demonstrating irreducible complexity is to show that none of the parts could have been useful on its own. They all needed to be in place before any of them could do any good (Behe's favourite analogy is a mousetrap). In fact, molecular biologists have no difficulty in finding parts functioning outside the whole, both for the flagellar motor and for Behe's other alleged examples of irreducible complexity. The point is well put by Kenneth Miller of Brown University, for my money the most persuasive nemesis of 'intelligent design', not least because he is a devout Christian. I frequently recommend Miller's book, Finding Darwin's God, to religious people who write to me having been bamboozled by Behe.

In the case of the bacterial rotary engine, Miller calls our attention to a mechanism called the Type Three Secretory System or TTSS.63 The TTSS is not used for rotatory movement. It is one of several systems used by parasitic bacteria for pumping toxic substances through their cell walls to poison their host organism. On our human scale, we might think of pouring or squirting a liquid through a hole; but, once again, on the bacterial scale things look different. Each molecule of secreted substance is a large protein with a definite, three-dimensional structure on the same scale as the TTSS's own: more like a solid sculpture than a liquid. Each molecule is individually propelled through a carefully shaped mechanism, like an automated slot machine dispensing, say, toys or bottles, rather than a simple hole through which a substance might 'flow'. The goods-dispenser itself is made of a rather small number of protein molecules, each one comparable in size and complexity to the molecules being dispensed through it. Interestingly, these bacterial slot machines are often similar across bacteria that are not closely related. The genes for making them have probably been 'copied and pasted' from other bacteria: something that bacteria are remarkably adept at doing, and a fascinating topic in its own right, but I must press on.

The protein molecules that form the structure of the TTSS are very similar to components of the flagellar motor. To the evolutionist it is clear that TTSS components were commandeered for a new, but not wholly unrelated, function when the flagellar motor evolved. Given that the TTSS is tugging molecules through itself, it is not surprising that it uses a rudimentary version of the principle used by the flagellar motor, which tugs the molecules of the axle round and round. Evidently, crucial components of the flagellar motor were already in place and working before the flagellar motor evolved. Commandeering existing mechanisms is an obvious way in which an apparently irreducibly complex piece of apparatus could climb Mount Improbable.

[Wild Cobra]

There is still a missing link, or several, to the TTSS development.

Looks like some type of miracle in evolution must have happened.

[baseline bum]

LOL, filling that gap opened up two more!

[mouse]

mouse still thinks it takes intelligence to copy/paste from creationist websites.

Baseline bum just did a cut n paste let's see you attack him also.

If not you just proved your bias and full of .

[Wild Cobra]

I'm not a fan of Mouse, I disagree with his conspiracy theories and creationism like he does, but intelligent design is the best possibility from what we know. It doesn't need to be a spiritual all knowing god, but it could have been a more advance race than we are.