sons the Spurs have dominated everyone but the Lakers (all time head to head records)

[Latarian Milton]

real surprise the spurs hold winning records against 99% of the rest teams knowing what a ty team it once was, especially in the 96-97 season when they intentionally tried to be as ty as they could be

[cobbler]

KK, I'm mostly arguing against the jackass who said Magic and Isiah weren't in their primes to try to denigrate Jordan. I'm not sure how a guy in a wheelchair can manage to fit his head so far up his ass.

It was Magic’s 12th season and he retired due to HIV following the season. He was a stellar player and the only one on the Lakers that year that did . Worthy and Scott were on the bench. Kareem was gone. Riley was gone. The Lakers were lucky to get there period. Magic's prime was 79-89 and most specifically during his battle with Bird in the middle of that decade. I don't think anyone would consider 1991 as being in Magic’s Prime years. You can if it makes you feel better. It certainly doesn't upset me enough to resort to juvenile name calling as if that makes any difference.

It's the only time Jordan Beat the Lakers and the Lakers didn't sniff the finals for almost a decade. The Bulls won many of their les against some weak compe ion in an expansion era. If you don’t agree then that is great for you. It’s your opinion and you are en led to it. To each his own.

[baseline bum]

They humiliated the 2x defending champion Pistons and beat two of the best teams to not win a le, the 93 Suns and 96 Sonics. LOL yeah, Magic retired because of HIV, not because he was getting old and past his prime.

[cobbler]

Other than beating a Laker team on a 2 year downslide with a new coach and 2 starters injured the Bulls won their next 5 championships against 5 organizations with a grand total of 2 les in their entire histories. And those came in the 70's.

The Bulls were a good team and deserved their LOB's no doubt. Did they beat a couple of former championship teams on the backside of their prime years along the way? You bet. However, any way you cut it the league was watered down due to expansion and the teams they beat for the les were anything but legendary. Far from it. They had won nothing the decade prior, the decade during the Bulls reign, or anytime since.

LOL @ best teams to not win a le in an expansion weak ass leage.

[baseline bum]

Make up your ing mind. The Pistons team they swept was pretty legendary.

[baseline bum]

LOL @ Laker fan ing about how easy Chicago's les were when the rest of the Western Conference was complete for almost all of the 80s, thus giving them a bye to the Finals while the Celtics, Sixers, and Pistons were landing knock-out blows on each other in the EC playoffs.

[cobbler]

Make up your ing mind. The Pistons team they swept was pretty legendary.

Apparently you missed the comment about beating a couple championship teams on the decline along the way Ie. the Lakers (once) and the Pistons. The lengendary remark was clearly directed at the Finals matchups and you cannot refute it. Oh thats right, "the best teams to not win a le". Too funny!

And agreed, the west was pretty weak during many of the Laker championship years. I was talking about the Bulls though so I really don't see a correlation. Leave it to a Spurs fan to bring up the Lakers in a completely unrelated aspect to bolster his absurd contention that the Bulls had stiff compe ion. It's common knowledge that the league was weaker in the 90's. I know your MJ worship takes a bit of a hit in accepting that but it changes nothing. I think we have beat this topic to death. Enough is enough.

Good luck with your team this year. You going to come to our parade?

[Killakobe81]

KK, I'm mostly arguing against the jackass who said Magic and Isiah weren't in their primes to try to denigrate Jordan. I'm not sure how a guy in a wheelchair can manage to fit his head so far up his ass.

I did not mean to get in the way of that ... I was just arguing that team was not very good. Look at the league overall very rarely did most champions have both a worthy adversary in the WCF/ECF AND and elite Finals opposition. Celtics probably had it the toughest in the early 80's when they had to deal with the sixers who were no only very good but potential us. Sixers did not stay elite for long. Lakers did not have elite Western opposition until the Mavs and Jazz improved towards the back-end of the 80's ...

[Killakobe81]

Cant agree wholly with Cobbler, but the 90's was pretty weak tbh. It doesnt take ANYTHING away from MJ. but 2000's and 80's on the 90's. this decade looks pretty weak too with all the super teams ...

and this by no means is indicative of the talent in the league ... the 90's had some great talent too, But some of those "weaker" Western Confernce 80's teams (sonics, Blazers Nuggs) would of on 85% of the NBA last year tbh ...

For example the Sonics with a prime: Xman, Dale Ellis, Nate McMillan and Tom chambers probably beats All west teams except the Spurs, Lakers and OKC. Maybe only Miami and Celts beat them in the East ...

And Im pretty sure the 86 Rockets beats every team in the NBA last year except maybe Miami but A young Hakeem with Sampson would of caused them fits.

80's NBA s on pretty much every decade tbh ...

[baseline bum]

I love how a team is on the downswing because they lose. By wheelchair logic that means the Lakers never beat anyone either.

[hobbler]

Its simple no wear Lakers uni...no chance to be the GOAT. MJ was nice and all but his stats don't count unless either a) he played for the Lakers (in which case I would have broken my back falling through his skylight in my underwear while wearing purple and gold facepaint instead of Magic's) or b) he beat those Lakers teams which I feel were unbeatable...so again its not possible. I'd have a better chance of getting my T7 vertebra attached to my T8 vertebra again than Jordan would have of beating any of those Lakers team in the 1980s.

[cobbler]

I love how a team is on the downswing because they lose. By wheelchair logic that means the Lakers never beat anyone either.

Love all you want but the Lakers were in transition and nowhere near there championship level. Jabbar retired. They lost Riley and were in a coaching transition. The core was on the back end of their careers and two starters were injured. I said the Bulls deserved their championships but if you think that Laker team they beat in any way resembled the mid 80's team then you are delusional. It’s not even close.

The Lakers and the Celtics of that era went back and forth and exchanged LOB's. It was much more compe ive in the 80's as opposed to the 90's and certainly you have heard this from many others much more brilliant than anyone who would be so infantile to use an argument such as "wheelchair logic"

[cobbler]

Its simple no wear Lakers uni...no chance to be the GOAT. MJ was nice and all but his stats don't count unless either a) he played for the Lakers (in which case I would have broken my back falling through his skylight in my underwear while wearing purple and gold facepaint instead of Magic's) or b) he beat those Lakers teams which I feel were unbeatable...so again its not possible. I'd have a better chance of getting my T7 vertebra attached to my T8 vertebra again than Jordan would have of beating any of those Lakers team in the 1980s.

Wrong yet again Hoboy. My reasoning for Wilt being the GOAT has nothing to do with the Lakers. His prime years were most definably not with the Lakers. Neither was Oscars who I have 2nd on my list. Go figure.

Personally, I think you can take what most lists conclude is the top 6 to 8 players of all time and make arguments for anyone of them to be GOAT. I don't have Russell in my top 5 but if your motivating criteria are LOB's he is #1hands down.

It’s all subjective opinions and nothing more. And you guys can toss all the juvenile grade school level wit you want as it changes absolutely nothing. Nothing says insecurity and weak of mind more. I absolutely love it!

[baseline bum]

But wheelchair logic also claims the 2x defending champion Pistons weren't because they didn't win. By wheelchair logic the 88 Finals didn't mean since the Pistons were before their prime, the 87 Finals were nothing because the Celtics got old, the 80 and 82 Finals can be disregarded since the Sixers had yet to hit their prime with no Malone, and so on.

[cobbler]

But wheelchair logic also claims the 2x defending champion Pistons weren't because they didn't win. By wheelchair logic the 88 Finals didn't mean since the Pistons were before their prime, the 87 Finals were nothing because the Celtics got old, the 80 and 82 Finals can be disregarded since the Sixers had yet to hit their prime with no Malone, and so on.

blah blah blah blah

I suppose if Jordan and the Bulls were so damn dominant they would have got past those Piston and Celtic teams that lost to the Lakers and actually won something in the 6 years he played in the 80's. I didn't say the 2 X defending pistons were . I said they were in decline. I believe Isiah even had wrist or hand surgery just prior to the 92 playoffs.

Again, you take a look at the 91 Laker team and the previous championship teams and make an argument on how they were comparable. Please do. You cannot and you know it.

All teams develop and all teams go through an eventual decline. The bulls were developing and could not hang with the Lakers, Celtics, and Pistons in the 80's. That is a fact. The Celtics and Lakers were mere shadows of their former great teams by 90-91. The Pistons while still more formidable were coming off a grueling 2 peat and Isah was injured.

Enough is enough. Have a great day. And seriously, come to our parade this year. It's going to be a blast! I'll buy you a beer!

[Latarian Milton]

the dominant MJ that was often referred to as the basketball god was not the one who played in the 1980s and got his ass kicked multiples times by celts and lakers imho. 90s jordan was the greatest basketball player the world has ever seen but it took him time to grow from a talented newbie into the god tbh.

take bron as another example, dude's been dubbed as the leagues best since his rookie year, he was a beast on court for them cavs in his early years but it was not until he joined miami did he become a real leader

[Latarian Milton]

the dominant MJ that was often referred to as the basketball god was not the one who played in the 1980s and got his ass kicked multiples times by celts and lakers imho. 90s jordan was the greatest basketball player the world has ever seen but it took him time to grow from a talented newbie into the god tbh.

take bron as another example, dude's been dubbed as the leagues best since his rookie year, he was a beast on court for them cavs in his early years but it was not until he joined miami did he become a real leader