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also not true. heck, computer literacy isn't even universal.
Again, I didn't say they were.
I was referencing things like your referring to people who don't get their kids into the limited existing pre-k slots as somehow automatically "lazy".
You don't see it, but the implicit "blame the victim" mentality is dumb and immoral IMO.
I will take it all back, if you have any shred of evidence that the problem isn't a lack of capacity, but a lack of desire on the part of poorer parents to give their kids a chance at a good education.
Do you have any evidence to support your "lazy" crack?
also not true. heck, computer literacy isn't even universal.
, all the Lone Star carrying vatos I see at the Valero seem to have smart phones.
If free pre-k is available and they don't get their kids in it, then yeah, they are lazy s and ty parents. You actually want to dispute that?
of the big four wireless carriers AT&T is number one in smart phone adoption at 62%.
LOL, most of the people I know that don't have smart phones are old people like my mom and dad.
could be, I didn't have a demographic break down for the project I did, but thought it was at least topical to the conversation.
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Speaking of smart phones my ATT rep just called me today and put me on the list for the iphone 5.
Not what I said. Let me expand a bit, so we aren't talking past each other, because I can see where you are at here, and it isn't where you think you are.
If someone has the option of putting their kids in one of these programs, but doesn't, all things held equal and with no other considerations, then yes, they are lazy s and ty parents.
That wasn't what I was asking.
I was asking you if you had any evidence to support your contention that all, some, or most of the people with kids that might be eligible, simply have not done so, because they are too lazy to.
i.e. can you think of another reason they might not get their kids in (such as not enough spaces, or lack of transportation) and what percentage of the people are, as you say, lazy, and how many simply lack access? how strong is your evidence for this theory?
Do you understand what I am asking for now?
Sounds like you are asking for excuses.
I think that he was asking for proof of your claim that they are all lazy s. Then he suggested some (valid) reasons/excuses (whatever you want to call it) that don't have to do with being lazy s.
Sounds like you have no evidence to support your theory.
I prefer to find solutions based on evidence, and a reasonable assessment of what works and what doesn't.
How exactly *do* you find solutions to problems?
The definition of "valid" in this case, being "there is no valid reason, because if someone had a remotely valid reason, I couldn't feel all smug and judgmental about them, and I am far more concerned with emotions and what makes me feel good".
Like I said, blame the victim, all poor people are assumed to be morally deficiient by dint of their poverty.
That is the rot at the heart of the Republican party. It is an ugly evil thing that wells up in debates like this.
Republican solutions are what feels good, not what is either morally right, or pragmatic.
There is NO ACCEPTABLE EXCUSE for not taking care of your kids needs.
NONE.
The only excuse you offered was lack of transportation and we have public transportation or *gasp* they could actually walk their kids to school.
Work is not an excuse. My son and daughter in law both work 40 hour+ weeks and still have managed to get their children to pre-K that they paid for. Millions of other parents that give a do the same thing.
For every excuse you can come up with on why parents don't take advantage of the free pre-k programs available to them I can give you a "reasonable solution" to your excuse.
And you, I never said all poor people were morally deficient.
Solutions may be hard at time, but government should never be the solution in most cases. Not when it comes to educating children, unless you want them indoctrinated.
Government should never be the solution except in those instances where government should be the solution.
Government should never be the solution except in those instances where government should be the solution.
Fine.
Please stop asking me to make public policy based on what makes you feel good.
It is a pretty implicit assertion in yours and many others' comments. You don't see it, and that is the funny part. I will laugh when your party starts losing elections, and you can't figure out why.
Rot, nothing but rot. Moral bankruptcy at its worst, IMO.
Why do people like you keep making irrational assumptions?
Make things hard to get food stamps, vote, etc... Racist... No it isn't. There are more poor whites than poor blacks.
Poor people being stupid... I would say that intelligence is a factor in wealth, but not always. Life always has a measure of good and bad luck.
Oh, you.
It is not an implicit assertion. There is a percentage of people that are just ed up. We can argue about the number but you can't deny it is a fact.
All poor people are not bad. All rich people are not bad.
All poor people are not good. All rich people are not good.
do you see a pattern here?
Your blanket allegation bull just shows what a knee jerk head you are. You are the Yin to people like WC's yang.
What we really have here is a difference of opinion.
I am of the opinion that you don't have enough information to make a meaningful, useful decision on the topic.
You are of the opinion that you know everything you need to know.
The fact you have no evidence to support your theory should be a red flag to you.
Sadly, that does not appear to be the case either.
Personally, I don't think *I* have enough information, either, FWIW.
So, if there aren't enough slots, is that a valid excuse for you?
just another weak ass excuse
“We will make classes for all students who are qualified, and there will be no waiting list,” said Linda Hamilton, Early Childhood Coordinator. “With Head Start and our pre-k programs, we will be able to offer multiple opportunities to serve families.”
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