The last time I brought up slavery in the Bible, Phenomenaul changed the subject to Evolution and The Big Bang.
I wonder why.
Maybe cause the subject of that thread was Evolution... and you brought up slavery for no reason at all... oh wait... that's right... because in your finite view of a infinite GOD you seem to have Him all figured out and wanted point out an incongruence in your assessment...The last time I brought up slavery in the Bible, Phenomenaul changed the subject to Evolution and The Big Bang.
Your infinite God was completely fine with slavery and murder.
I'm better than He is.
Again you keep distorting who brought about the Enlightenment... oh that's right...
The athiest movement did...
Yep...
Besides you are wholly incapable of seeing the hipocrisy in the source article... Bill Nye is advocating that policy be used to control the education of believers' children? Most of you all here agree that "religion be kept out of politics" but yet you all insist and demand that the children of believers be indoctrinated as you wish. What type of totalitarian hypocrisy is that? I will raise my children as I and my wife see fit. I don't need the government to tell me what they should or shouldn't learn. As it is my 7 year old is already learning calculus...
My premise was that Proxy couldn't use Ockham's razor to suggest that because evolution makes sense to him that then Evolution was a proven fact... a non-sequitor on your part.
Because this is a world that's already subjected and shackled by sin. He provides the means to break that bondange but few wish to embrace that path... you seem to endorse slavery yourself since you seem so caught up trying to stay the course... but again... that's not really the subject of this thread is it?
Last edited by Phenomanul; 09-05-2012 at 09:27 PM.
Whatever you say man... we'll see how true your claim is a couple of years down the road when we've all passed from this ephimeral life on Earth...
Would it not make more sense for God to tell his followers that slavery was immoral instead of giving them guidelines on how to treat slaves? Wouldn't that help mankind more than telling them that in certain situations, beating people to death is okay?
I've never denied that my belief in GOD is based solely on faith.
People here can't have it both ways though... making statements that "Evolution is a proven fact" is undeniably false.
Only by your standards... because, you said so yourself... You're better than GOD....
Would it not make more sense for God to tell his followers that slavery was immoral instead of giving them guidelines on how to treat slaves? Wouldn't that help mankind more than telling them that in certain situations, beating people to death is okay?
We're not the only ones that trim weeds out of the lawn... or kill the pests from our orchards...
But again... that's not the topic of this thread.
Phenomenaul, would you say that it is morally acceptable to keep a person against their will and force them to do things for you?
I, along with most of America, do not think it's okay for man to own slaves or beat them to death, so I'm better than God.20 “When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. 21 But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money. Exodus 21:20-21
No we won't, because we'll be dead.
47 And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. 48 But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more. Luke 12:47-48Our God is an awesome God. Nothing says all-loving like telling one's followers to beat the people they have forced to work for them.
Again, not the subject of this thread...
Most of corporate America is a slave to their employer... and sometimes bosses come down with punishment. Just not of a corporal nature. But you're missing the point altogether... The Hebrew nation was taking in slaves even though it was not GOD's desire that they do so... GOD doesn't command, "you shall own a slave, or else!"... they were doing so as an unwise extension of their economic system, one that was established the world over in that time period. At that point HE was basically trying to regulate their interactions to try and protect the slave.
Speak for yourself....
I'm pretty sure that's not what is being advocated in that illustration... and what does this have to do with Bill Nye's declaration?
Anyways, I'm off to eat dinner... have fun with your bitterness... peace!
When I understood what faith actually is, and why it's essential for christianity, I left religion for ever, I'm a happy and free agnostic now.
If reading non-orthodox christian material isn't a sin for you.... go read some real scholarship work on biblical criticism, grab some books from Bart Ehrman, Robert Price, John Spong .... or ex pastor John Loftus..... even some conservative Christians like Dan Wallace or Bruce Metzger, then come back and explain why you still believe the biblical accounts are accurate and true.
Faith justify believing virtually ANYTHING you decide to believe..... like 34000 different christian doctrines in the world .... all claiming to be the REAL one. lol
Phenomenaul thinks that being held against one's will with the fear of being beaten to death is in any way comparable to a having job in corporate America
I keep reading in this topic Evoulution is a "fact" has anyone posted any proof?
While you're at it, also make sure to ask him why your god endorses destroying the Earth (Malachi 4:6), cutting your enemies into pieces (Psalm 58:6-7) and feeding their blood to your dog (Psalm 68:23), incest (Exodus 6:20), lying (1 Kings 22:21-22), discrimination against women (1 Timothy 2:11-12), stealing from your neighbors (Exodus 11:2), and being a judgmental prick (1 Corinthians 2:15).....
And you are one that makes fun of people just because you don't understand their faith. Shame on you.
Wow...
So obvious that you are looking in a mirror.
Really? How do you know that? A thorough study of the bible indicates that there is not just one god, but many. What if these Gods have agreements they have among each other as to how each God can influence us? What if one of their internal rules are that they cannot undo what another God has done?
Jehovah has never tried, to my knowledge, to change society outside his own believers. His rules seem to accept the laws of society, and that he added to them for how his believers to cope in the existing frame of rules.
Not saying this is that fact of the matter. Just pointing out that you are assuming fact that might not be.
Another stupid post by you. I understand their faith, but don't agree with it.
There are several times the Bible contradicts itself rules-wise, so not really.What if one of their internal rules are that they cannot undo what another God has done?
God endorses slavery.
Who brought up ” enlightenment”?....oh that's right....Again you keep distorting who brought about the Enlightenment... oh that's right...
The athiest movement did...
Yep...
Nobody did.
neat.As it is my 7 year old is already learning calculus...
Of course, when it comes to science he will be stupid because daddy will indoctrinate him with bible science.
So god does endorse slavery. I sure as don't.Because this is a world that's already subjected and shackled by sin. He provides the means to break that bondange but few wish to embrace that path... you seem to endorse slavery yourself since you seem so caught up trying to stay the course... but again... that's not really the subject of this thread is it?
You seem to endorse slavery yourself since God endorses it.
You and your god are evil backwoods hillbilly asshole posers.
exactly where does the bible indicate this, professor?
God or no God, evolution being true or false, doesn't change the fact that all of you'll are pussies when being confronted by the realities of life. That's what Bill Nye is trying to say.
Probably not
Believers in God die and there was no God, they will never know it.
Atheist dies and there is a God, they are in deep , ah...flames.
God hates atheists more than pedophiles, murderers, rapists and slave owners.
What an awesome god.
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