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    I agree about the cheap ownership. I have no problem with them being cheap when the big 3 are gone and they're trying to develop young talent but they were always a player or two away from winning a few more championships. They've basically rode the big 3 into the ground by refusing to provide enough help.
    According to HoopsHype, Peter Holt is tied with Houston Rockets owner Leslie Alexander as the poorest owners in the NBA (with a net worth of only $80 million). Compare that to the Nets' Prokhorov, who is worth 19.5 billion, with a "B". Mark Cuban rings in at a paltry 2.3 billion. Jerry Buss is worth nearly 5 times as much as Holt at $380 million, and the Cablevision-owned Knicks ring in at $494 million. Plus, most of those teams are all backed by lucrative TV deals, which helps to negate the penalties enforced by the luxury tax.

    Sure, Peter Holt probably could've stood to start dabbling in the tax a little earlier in TD's career, but that's a of a lot easier to say from our computer chairs when its not our millions that are being doled out. Didn't he pay around 8 million in taxes one year for Jefferson? Stupidity of that decision put aside, that's a tenth of his net worth that he put on the line for a team that got bounced in the second round.

    Would be nice if we had an owner that could afford to just drop the big bucks every year, but the fact is, we don't.
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    This summer will come to be known as the summer of the Andray Blatche thread.

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    According to HoopsHype, Peter Holt is tied with Houston Rockets owner Leslie Alexander as the poorest owners in the NBA (with a net worth of only $80 million). Compare that to the Nets' Prokhorov, who is worth 19.5 billion, with a "B". Mark Cuban rings in at a paltry 2.3 billion. Jerry Buss is worth nearly 5 times as much as Holt at $380 million, and the Cablevision-owned Knicks ring in at $494 million. Plus, most of those teams are all backed by lucrative TV deals, which helps to negate the penalties enforced by the luxury tax.

    Sure, Peter Holt probably could've stood to start dabbling in the tax a little earlier in TD's career, but that's a of a lot easier to say from our computer chairs when its not our millions that are being doled out. Didn't he pay around 8 million in taxes one year for Jefferson? Stupidity of that decision put aside, that's a tenth of his net worth that he put on the line for a team that got bounced in the second round.

    Would be nice if we had an owner that could afford to just drop the big bucks every year, but the fact is, we don't.
    It's a cost benefit analysis. If you win more championships it's possible that the value of the franchise grows greater. It's short sighted thinking to be cheap.

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    According to HoopsHype, Peter Holt is tied with Houston Rockets owner Leslie Alexander as the poorest owners in the NBA (with a net worth of only $80 million). Compare that to the Nets' Prokhorov, who is worth 19.5 billion, with a "B". Mark Cuban rings in at a paltry 2.3 billion. Jerry Buss is worth nearly 5 times as much as Holt at $380 million, and the Cablevision-owned Knicks ring in at $494 million. Plus, most of those teams are all backed by lucrative TV deals, which helps to negate the penalties enforced by the luxury tax.

    Sure, Peter Holt probably could've stood to start dabbling in the tax a little earlier in TD's career, but that's a of a lot easier to say from our computer chairs when its not our millions that are being doled out. Didn't he pay around 8 million in taxes one year for Jefferson? Stupidity of that decision put aside, that's a tenth of his net worth that he put on the line for a team that got bounced in the second round.

    Would be nice if we had an owner that could afford to just drop the big bucks every year, but the fact is, we don't.
    Don't the Spurs have an ownership group? Surely Peter did not pay all of RJs lux tax money out of his own pocket?

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    This thread is more than about the Spurs failure to land a low-risk player like Blatche. This tiest point about this whole "lack of size" situation is that the Spurs have virtually ignored it for so long. The've spent so much time investing in small, yet they've seemingly been content to stay undersized upfront. Getting Diaw was a good coup, but that gives this team 3 undersized frontcourt players. The Spurs have wasted time harboring both Blair and Bonner, when it's acutely obvious to anyone who watches this team, that their shortcomings are and continue to be widely exposed and exploited - especially in the playoffs. One or both should've been moved out a year or two before.

    It's also sad that there is virtually nothing big in the pipeline. What's worse is Pop and RC seemingly refuse to even take a chance on project bigs - even in the draft. The Spurs could've drafted Robert Sacre, the 7'0" shotblocking center from Gonzaga, in the second round of this most recent draft. He was available at their pick, yet what did they do? Draft another undersized backcourt player. Meanwhile the Fakers, who already have Dwight Howard and Jordan Hill, get even bigger by adding even more size.

    It's clear that teams like the Fakers, Grizz and Mavs value size. I'm really starting to think the Spurs just do not. It seems that Pop has gone full Don Nelson and seemingly has no use for bigs. I hope I'm wrong, but I only can go by what I see.

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    It's a cost benefit analysis. If you win more championships it's possible that the value of the franchise grows greater. It's short sighted thinking to be cheap.
    "Possible"

    The financial incentive for going deep into the playoffs isn't as large such that it would have negated the millions paid in luxury tax. Also, while RC and the front office have said the team is in good financial shape due to its consistent playoff appearances and several championships, it is in no way as rich as the other franchises. It is a cost benefit analysis, but from what I've been reading, the Spurs just don't have enough capital with RC and that's just something we have to live with.

    And I agree with Dex, it's easy to say as fans that our team has to spend millions but it's RC's money on the line and what more is that he's among the poorest owners in the league.

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    If the Spurs want to save money, then they should stop paying $4mil to a soft-ass player, who has only one single-skill set, is a liability on defense and chokes in the playoffs. It would make better financial and basketball sense to take a chance on a rookie big, or minimum-salaried vet, who is hungrier, more versatile and would be considerably cheaper by about 1/3 of the salary.

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    It's a cost benefit analysis. If you win more championships it's possible that the value of the franchise grows greater. It's short sighted thinking to be cheap.
    Its shortsighted thinking to believe spending more than your budget allows for will guarantee more success. Owners like Jerry Buss, Mikhail Prokhorov, among others, simply have more money to spend than the Spur's ownership. Hence, they can afford to take more chances on big money free agents, vets., etc... Can't figure out why some Spurs fans struggle figuring this out.

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    Does anyone wonder why one of the perennially, worst teams in the NBA gave up on Blatche?

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    Wins Produced 11-12 by Position C2 - Center

    This is the study that got Cuban in a wad about Kaman.

    Only four centers more harmful than Kaman, from least harmful to most:
    Blatche, Milicic, Mullens, Okur.

    Those five plus Bargnani, Glen Davis, and Tolliver harms your team if you play them.

    If we want to compete with the Mavericks, then Blatche should have been our target.
    Blatche was much worse than Blair.
    Luke Zeller would be in Blatche territory.

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    lol at compete with the Mavericks, we're already a better team than them.

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    Does anyone wonder why one of the perennially, worst teams in the NBA gave up on Blatche?
    Same thing for McGee & look how productive he was with the Nuggets.

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    Who cares. Hopefully we start tanking after this season, pop can get over himself, while him and Buford lay off the alcohol and Bonner gets stuck in North Korea.

    Unless we get hot this year like last year at the sorta right time . 2nd round is our ceiling.

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    I think Holt's a great owner but he just doesn't seem to have enough "just screw it and go take another chance" money.

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    Same thing for McGee & look how productive he was with the Nuggets.
    McGee was traded for Nene, not the same situation.

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    It's a cost benefit analysis. If you win more championships it's possible that the value of the franchise grows greater. It's short sighted thinking to be cheap.
    Teams that have won more ch'ips than SA:

    Boston
    LA
    Chicago

    Teams that have won less:

    Everyone else.

    The complete, unadulterated arrogance of people on this board still astounds me. Some of you s ACTUALLY think you know the players in this league who will and won't be of help to this team better than the "gold standard" for NBA front offices.

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    Brooklyn Nets Sign Andray Blatche

    BROOKLYN (September 12, 2012) – The Brooklyn Nets have signed forward Andray Blatche, Nets General Manager Billy King announced today. Per team policy, terms of the contract were not released.

    http://www.nba.com/nets/news/brookly...andray-blatche

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    McGee was traded for Nene, not the same situation.
    It was in the sense that everyone thought Mcgee was dead weight and that proved not to be the case. Tho it doesn't matter now because as usual the spurs are pussies when it comes to free agency and don't play the small market bs card because this guy was willing to play in the d league!

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    It was in the sense that everyone thought Mcgee was dead weight and that proved not to be the case. Tho it doesn't matter now because as usual the spurs are pussies when it comes to free agency and don't play the small market bs card because this guy was willing to play in the d league!
    Lol deadweight. Denver traded a very talented player in Nene for McGee. Blatche can be called deadweight. And from this post, it seems you don't seem to understand the economics of small markets, and how it relates to being able to sign high, profile, free agents. Once you get over the fact that the Spur's FO and ownership are, in your words, "pussies", you'll realize the Spurs are not able to land coveted free agents, nor do they often take chances on knucklehead players, regardless of their talent.

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    It was in the sense that everyone thought Mcgee was dead weight and that proved not to be the case. Tho it doesn't matter now because as usual the spurs are pussies when it comes to free agency and don't play the small market bs card because this guy was willing to play in the d league!
    McGee had some off the court issues, but his game was never dysfunctional. Blatche is pretty much just a big mess on or off the court.

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    Lol deadweight. Denver traded a very talented player in Nene for McGee. Blatche can be called deadweight. And from this post, it seems you don't seem to understand the economics of small markets, and how it relates to being able to sign high, profile, free agents. Once you get over the fact that the Spur's FO and ownership are, in your words, "pussies", you'll realize the Spurs are not able to land coveted free agents, nor do they often take chances on knucklehead players, regardless of their talent.
    Lol from deadweight to "coveted free agent" .
    Again nobody wanted him for a good while he was their for the taking & open to any offer. But as usual r.c and poopovich struggle with the fact that this team lacks a full time starting 4.

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    Lol from deadweight to "coveted free agent" .
    Again nobody wanted him for a good while he was their for the taking & open to any offer. But as usual r.c and poopovich struggle with the fact that this team lacks a full time starting 4.
    Maybe you could point the way for Pop and Buford to the 4 tree, where starting caliber 4s are in abundance, and are just waiting to be plucked.

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    Maybe you could point the way for Pop and Buford to the 4 tree, where starting caliber 4s are in abundance, and are just waiting to be plucked.
    Any relation to the Ticket Oak?

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    Maybe you could point the way for Pop and Buford to the 4 tree, where starting caliber 4s are in abundance, and are just waiting to be plucked.
    Like I said their was one for cheap & ripe for the taking & are you gonna keep being a apologist?

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    Think its time to close this thread hey. 20 pages on blatche. And he's now off the market. Stop it already.

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