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If we did stay out, would they do us the same favor?
I'm all for a quarantine, that's to say we send all the arabs that are currently living in the US over to their country.
As long as the extremists running rampant is contained to the middle east, yeah, let them run rampant. We have no right to dictate who's running rampant in sovereign countries on the other side of the world.
I don't see why we need to nuke an area and commit genocide in order to be "done with those s," as you so eloquently put it.
If we did stay out, would they do us the same favor?
I'm all for a quarantine, that's to say we send all the arabs that are currently living in the US over to their country.
It's not about doing them a favor, it's about doing ourselves a favor by removing ourselves from the situation. Why do people act so deliberately obtuse about this topic and pretend anyone who wants us out of the middle east is sympathizing with the Muslims and trying to do them a favor?
americans really don't understand the occult power of religion in the mid east. while christians make remain cool when atheists make fun of God, the muslims won't when they think you've profaned allah and it's damn sure they'll retaliate, and it's all caused by a stupid movie
Terrible plan, tbh..... how on Earth would killing a ton of innocent people for the actions of a relative few extremists solve anything? We just need to get out and STOP meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations unless they directly threaten us, tbh.... the preemptive war bull is bankrupting us and creating more problems.....
You guys are taking the nuke comment out of proportion.
I realize there are innocent people living there (as hard as that is to believe) but you gotta do what you must. You cant kill the innocent so the next best thing is to keep in eye on them.
Just a few nutcases you say? C'mon now. lol
They are threatening us everyday.
What if London was occupied by Israel?
Hard to imagine what is it like to live in Palestine under Israeli occupation? This short film will help you picture it.
So on one hand, you argue that we need to continue to "keep an eye on" the entire Middle East like we've been doing for decades, but then you argue that "they're threatening us everyday".... in that case, what good has spending decades "keeping an eye on them" done when they're still threatening us?
The solution is clear.... get the out, leave sovereign nations alone (and that means no more foreign aid as well), and start rebuilding our shattered reputation through diplomacy, honest friendship, and setting a good example, tbh.....
You answered your own question. lol
If we are keeping an eye on them now and they are still dropping planes on us that's a problem. If we leave and let them go uncheck what would happen then?
And just to point out what would of happened if the US didn't intervene in the Kuwait invasion by Sadam forces and company?
What do you think would have happend if Saddam would have taken Kuwait?
You can say all you want about the US intervening with other countries affairs but in this instance it was well justified, dont you think?
Just let them do their thing and stay the out of their business. And here's a silly approach: why not try to be friends with them instead of making them into enemies?
We wouldn't be wasting millions (in dollars and lives) on undeclared, endless preemptive wars, not to mention, no more domestic surveillance and further trampling on our liberties at home....
We should live them alone, but not before deporting them from our countries.
without american intervention, those dumb s will continue to fight among each other anyway...doesnt make a difference...
look at the arab spring for example, remove previous regimes with new continuing the old linage of rule as the previous...fkn same , diff smell
We tried something along those lines with the Japanese (just with internment camps instead of kicking them out entirely), and it was so embarrassing that the government eventually had to apologize to the Japanese community, tbh....
Who's threatening you? You think some ing Lebanese goat herder is out to get you? The biggest terrorist strike - 9/11 - killed all of 3,000 people. How many INNOCENT people do you think have died from US cruise missiles and bombs over the past 20 years in the middle east? Its not even close to 3,000 but only because its far higher.
Further more, the US is so ing irrationally afraid of people over there. 3,000 deaths from 9/11 is nothing compared to the deaths from like heart disease and diabetes. If people here were actually logical they'd be waging a ing war on Sodas not people across the world.
40 messages and nobody even mentioned US/UK are/will be in the M/E for decades FOR OIL, with Israeli security distant 2nd.
Maybe not everyone believes like you...
WC denies that US/UK overwhelmingly priorit in the M/E is oil?
WC believes US/UK up the M/E to spread the glories of democracy!
What do you BELIEVE, oh great faith-based/fact-free one?
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Boutons_ with yet another false dilemma, per par.... it's both oil, and being totally whipped by Israel, tbh....
Well Shadowflames got thoroughly ed on in this thread and had nothing to fall back on but neo-conservative Islamaphobic rhetoric.
So the last completely justified US intervention was 20 years ago. Who said anything about the Persian Gulf War, this is a hilarious strawman you're using to steer attention away from what you were saying.
"Hey everyone Ima let you finish, but da Persian Gulf War was one of da best wars of all time!!!"
Even that wasn't completely justified, simply because it wasn't cons utionally declared, tbh.... in fact, WWII was the last cons utionally declared war, from then on we've had war by executive/UN decree, and it's been a complete disaster....So the last completely justified US intervention was 20 years ago
I'm saying it was justified just for the sake of argument. He was getting killed in an argument about the current middle east so he randomly responded to some mythical strawman about the Persian Gulf War.
And the only time muslim extremists have ever attacked us on our own soil, they came from a bat crazy Muslim country our government seems to adore.
DarrinS' knowledge of the middle east and its peoples > Stephen Walt
Care out outline a plausible counter to the argument "people don't like it when you support the dictators that are oppressing them"?
This oughta be good.
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