Notre Dame...

[Avante]

...is a catholic school. Then we have...

BYU
Texas Christian
Dallas Baptist
Abilene Christian
Okahoma Baptist

....and a number of schools with a religious agenda.

We have religious holidays, our money mentions God. We have how many churchs here in the USA? How many gospel songs? We have...so help me God, one nation under God, in God we trust.

Who out there isn't an hour or less away from a church? Who doesn't know far more people in your world who believe in some God than don't have a God? Who was raised by atheists? Who had grandparents who were atheists?

Then there's Hollywood, why so many movies about religious whatevers? Where are our movies about atheists? What college is there for atheists? What choir sings about atheism? What atheist holidays are there?

Do atheists simply fake Christmas? No Christmas cards with the three wisemen following a star? No baby Jesus in the manger? What a ed up Christmas.

What do you people do when you are at some chow down gathering and somebody wants to say grace, you fake it? Why do we have that pregame kneel down?

What do you gain by being an atheist? When all around you you are hearing..."first off I'd like to thank God for..." or watching a horde of Muslims all bowing in prayer? What about all those church goers, are they crazy?

Who hasn't known somebody who turned their life around once they found Jesus Christ, we all have.

Lets take any rap song and compare it to this.




How good can it get?

[redzero]

Just remember that, even though you claim that arguing about religion is pointless, you still create threads to argue about religion.

And please don't pretend like this thread is not about arguing religion.

[Avante]

Just remember that, even though you claim that arguing about religion is pointless, you still create threads to argue about religion.

And please don't pretend like this thread is not about arguing religion.

It takes two to argue amigo.

The year was 1942, the place Clarksdale Mississippi. Library of Congress had sent Alan Lomax on a field trip to record the rural south. He just happened to come upon this black church......



In a word...stunning.

[redzero]

You brought up something you knew would start an argument.

This shouldn't be necessary, but this is Avante we're talking about, so here's the definition of argument:
http://www.dictionary.reference.com/browse/Argument?s=t
ar·gu·ment   [ahr-gyuh-muhnt] Show IPA
noun
2.
a discussion involving differing points of view;

Please, don't try to claim that you weren't trying to start an argument, because you know how people would respond.

[Avante]

You brought up something you knew would start an argument.

This shouldn't be necessary, but this is Avante we're talking about, so here's the definition of argument:
http://www.dictionary.reference.com/browse/Argument?s=t
ar·gu·ment   [ahr-gyuh-muhnt] Show IPA
noun
2.
a discussion involving differing points of view;

Please, don't try to claim that you weren't trying to start an argument, because you know how people would respond.

So that's what an argument is, well I'll be damn, and all this time I thought it was a difference of opinions, my bad. Hey thanks.

I get a kick out of ya little fella.


Love this stuff..

[redzero]

Well, seeing as you lie and play dumb all the time, one can't be clear enough when conversing with you.

[Avante]

Well, seeing as you lie and play dumb all the time, one can't be clear enough when conversing with you.

I can't believe you didn't learn your lesson about calling me a liar. Wow!

[redzero]

Again, just because you were telling the truth about one thing doesn't change the fact that you lie all the time.

[Avante]

Again, just because you were telling the truth about one thing doesn't change the fact that you lie all the time.

If you recall you were 100% certain I was bull ting about my music collection....right? The facts are you only saw about 70% of all I have, I have a ron of stuff loaned out.

You can prove I've lied about what? Forget the RaZon bull that was what it was suppose to be. So you can prove I lied about what and be specific?

[redzero]

You can prove I've lied about what? Forget the RaZon bull that was what it was suppose to be. So you can prove I lied about what and be specific?

You lied when you welshed on the bet you had with johnsmith. Claiming that you would do something, then not doing it = lie.

You lied and claimed that I welshed on a bet I had with you, even though there was no bet.

You constantly put words in other people's mouths and misinterpret their arguments.

[Avante]

You lied when you welshed on the bet you had with johnsmith. Claiming that you would do something, then not doing it = lie.

You lied and claimed that I welshed on a bet I had with you, even though there was no bet.

You constantly put words in other people's mouths and misinterpret their arguments.

I don't take guys like johnsmith seriously, would you?

We did have a bet I just knew all along you wouldn't honor it so I wasn't shooked when you didn't. I told you that someday I'd come up with the pictures you told me that I was lying, we made a bet right then. Did I not come up with the pictures? You should be gone and you know it.

Show me where I put words in peoples mouths and misinterpert their arguments, love to see it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The great Georgia Tom Dorsey the father of Gospel Music, cat started off as a blues man, him on piano the amazing Tampa Red on guitar. Then he turned his back on that Devils music and got into this....

[redzero]

I don't take guys like johnsmith seriously, would you?

Doesn't matter. It is a lie by definition, regardless of your reasoning.

We did have a bet

Lie # 1 in this thread.

I told you that someday I'd come up with the pictures you told me that I was lying, we made a bet right then.

Lie # 2.

If both sides do not agree to the terms, THERE IS NO BET. I did not agree to your terms, because you gave yourself an indefinite amount of time to provide the pictures. I told you as much when you offered the bet. It is not my fault that you ignored my complaints. I wanted a time limit; you didn't. We couldn't reach an agreement, so there was no bet. It's that simple.

You cannot just create your own terms and expect the other side to just agree with them. I did not like your terms, so I didn't take your bet. To claim that I did is a lie.

If you want to claim that I did accept your terms, please provide proof.

Did I not come up with the pictures?

Yes, but there was no bet.

You should be gone and you know it.

Wrong.

Show me where I put words in peoples mouths and misinterpert their arguments, love to see it.

I already did that in the other thread, but since I'm such a nice guy, I'll link to it.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=672

In this post, I called out your lies and misinterpretations, which can be seen in the quotes.

[Avante]

Doesn't matter. It is a lie by definition, regardless of your reasoning.


Lie # 1 in this thread.



Lie # 2.

If both sides do not agree to the terms, THERE IS NO BET. I did not agree to your terms, because you gave yourself an indefinite amount of time to provide the pictures. I told you as much when you offered the bet. It is not my fault that you ignored my complaints. I wanted a time limit; you didn't. We couldn't reach an agreement, so there was no bet. It's that simple.

You cannot just create your own terms and expect the other side to just agree with them. I did not like your terms, so I didn't take your bet. To claim that I did is a lie.

If you want to claim that I did accept your terms, please provide proof.



Yes, but there was no bet.



Wrong.



I already did that in the other thread, but since I'm such a nice guy, I'll link to it.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=672

In this post, I called out your lies and misinterpretations, which can be seen in the quotes.

Are you for real? What does time have to do with anything, I either had the music or I didn't. You said I didn't, I told you I did, that was the bet that you lost. If I didn't have the music all the time in the world wouldn't have changed that...right? You lost the bet and you know it. You should be gone if you had any honor, but I knew you didn't and you don't.

Those were piss poor examples. That's putting words in your mouth, are you serious?

Sorry little fella but you are wrong as usual. You did lose the bet and nobody is putting words anywhere.

I'll see what I can find about you lying about the bet.

[redzero]

Are you for real?

Of course!

What does time have to do with anything

Are you serious? Do you know what a bet is? There are terms to a bet. To claim that terms don't matter is laughable.

I either had the music or I didn't.

True.

You said I didn't, I told you I did, that was the bet that you lost.

Wrong. Looks like I have to post the definition of bet.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=bet

1. An agreement usually between two parties that the one who has made an incorrect prediction about an uncertain outcome will forfeit something stipulated to the other; a wager.

There was no agreement, so there was no bet. It's that simple. The fact that you are trying to argue this just shows the lengths that you will go to not admit that you were wrong. I admitted that I was wrong about the pics. You can't admit that you were wrong in a disagreement, which is kind of sad.

If I didn't have the music all the time in the world wouldn't have changed that...right?

Yes, but I wanted a time frame so the bet wouldn't go on forever.

You lost the bet and you know it.

Lie # 3

There. Was. No. Bet. You are LYING.

By the definition of the term "bet," no bet took place. Period.

You should be gone if you had any honor, but I knew you didn't and you don't.

Fact: Only one of us has welshed on an ACTUAL bet , and that's you.

Those were piss poor examples.

Yes, I am serious.

That's putting words in your mouth, are you serious?

http://www.idioms.thefreedictionary....words+in+mouth

put words in (to) someone's mouth
Fig. to interpret what someone said so that the words mean what you want and not what the speaker wanted.

Fact: You claimed that I was sure that God doesn't exist.
Fact: I not once claimed nor implied that I was sure that God does not exist.
Conclusion: You put words in my mouth.

Fact: You claimed that I required absolute proof of God's existence.
Fact: I not once claimed nor implied that I required absolute proof.
Conclusion: You put words in my mouth.

Sorry little fella but you are wrong as usual. You did lose the bet and nobody is putting words anywhere.

Fact: By the DEFINITION of the term "bet," there was no bet between us.
Fact: By the DEFINITION of "put words in mouth," you put words in my mouth.

To disagree with either of these would mean that there are two definitions to these terms that only you go by.

You are wrong.

[redzero]

I'll save Avante the time and post the exchange we had about the bet. This is right before he posted the pics, I think.

1.) Avante offers the bet:

I post the pics you never post here again, deal?

2.) I flesh out the terms of the bet:

We have already been through this.

Take ten pics from afar of your collection with a timestamp in each pic. Take ten pics up close of your records/CDs/whatever with a timestamp. Then, post the pics here.

If you can do that within 30 minutes of agreeing to this bet, I'll leave forever. If you can't, you'll leave forever. No alternate accounts.

Deal?

3.) Avante does not actually state that he agrees to the terms in his response:

There will be no...those aren't all yours...right? Trust me little fella you aren't going to believe your eyes. You do know I'm setting you up, right?

I'm just curious how you'll try to weasel out of it. I do believe you won't believe one person could own all that music. You aren't the first to..."yeah right"...then...DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someday kinda soon when I'm bored I'll post a thread...Fortress of Solitude, it will be just that, the books, the gym, and all that music.

4.) I acknowledge that he has not agreed to the terms, which means NO BET:

So that's a no, then.

Damn. How many times have you backed down from this bet already? 20?

Only in Avante's little world is there a bet even when NEITHER SIDE REACHED AN AGREEMENT ON THE TERMS OF THE BET.

absolutely hilarious.

Wait, there's more.

1.) Avante still tries to make a bet with me:

So if I go out there again, write on a big piece of paper....HI Redzero...you are gone for good? I'll put that paper in front of my tons of magazines not pictured. Deal?

2.) I tell him that there is no bet:

No, because there was never a bet that was agreed upon by both parties. I'm asking this out of curiosity now.

So, even though neither of us could reach an agreement, and I straight up told him that there was no bet, Avante still thinks there was a bet. Amazing.

[Avante]

Of course!



Are you serious? Do you know what a bet is? There are terms to a bet. To claim that terms don't matter is laughable.



True.



Wrong. Looks like I have to post the definition of bet.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=bet

1. An agreement usually between two parties that the one who has made an incorrect prediction about an uncertain outcome will forfeit something stipulated to the other; a wager.

There was no agreement, so there was no bet. It's that simple. The fact that you are trying to argue this just shows the lengths that you will go to not admit that you were wrong. I admitted that I was wrong about the pics. You can't admit that you were wrong in a disagreement, which is kind of sad.



Yes, but I wanted a time frame so the bet wouldn't go on forever.



Lie # 3

There. Was. No. Bet. You are LYING.

By the definition of the term "bet," no bet took place. Period.



Fact: Only one of us has welshed on an ACTUAL bet , and that's you.



Yes, I am serious.



http://www.idioms.thefreedictionary....words+in+mouth

put words in (to) someone's mouth
Fig. to interpret what someone said so that the words mean what you want and not what the speaker wanted.

Fact: You claimed that I was sure that God doesn't exist.
Fact: I not once claimed nor implied that I was sure that God does not exist.
Conclusion: You put words in my mouth.

Fact: You claimed that I required absolute proof of God's existence.
Fact: I not once claimed nor implied that I required absolute proof.
Conclusion: You put words in my mouth.



Fact: By the DEFINITION of the term "bet," there was no bet between us.
Fact: By the DEFINITION of "put words in mouth," you put words in my mouth.

To disagree with either of these would mean that there are two definitions to these terms that only you go by.

You are wrong.

Dude, you bet I didn't have the music, I bet I did. I had the music, you were wrong and lost the bet. Just that simple. All this bull about time is just that...bull . Time had nothing to do with this, it was is the music there and yes it was, you lost and should be gone. You know it and I know it. To be ing around with..."but we needed a time and..."...is a load of crap, that had nothing to do with anything. You said I didn't have the musc, you were wrong you lost the bet. Why you are still here...?????

Speaking of music...

[redzero]

Dude, you bet I didn't have the music

Lie # 4

I stated that you did not have the music and I was wrong.

I bet I did.

Not with me, you didn't.

I had the music, you were wrong and lost the bet.

Lie # 5

By the DEFINITION of the word "bet," no bet took place. A bet is not a disagreement. You. Are. Wrong. And you don't know what "bet" means.

Just that simple. All this bull about time is just that...bull .

Yeah, facts are bull

Time had nothing to do with this

It had everything to do with the terms of the bet, which you did not agree to.

it was is the music there and yes it was, you lost and should be gone.

Based on what? Did I promise that I would be gone if you just posted the pics? No.

You know it and I know it.

I know that I provided proof that you are wrong, and you are still trying to argue otherwise.

To be ing around with..."but we needed a time and..."...is a load of crap, that had nothing to do with anything.

The time had to do with the terms of the bet. You didn't like the terms, so you didn't agree.

You said I didn't have the musc, you were wrong you lost the bet.

Lie # 6

I never made a bet with you. You claimed that you had the music. I claimed that you didn't. I was wrong. That's it.

There was no bet. I did not agree to leave if you posted the pics. If you don't believe me, check our exchange.

Why you are still here...?????

Why wouldn't I be?

You are a ing liar who is too stupid to know what a bet is.

I could post the definition of "bet" from another source, but at this point, what's the point? You already tried to argue that the actual definition of the term "bet" is wrong, so facts clearly don't matter to you.

[Avante]

Lie # 4

I stated that you did not have the music and I was wrong.



Not with me, you didn't.



Lie # 5

By the DEFINITION of the word "bet," no bet took place. A bet is not a disagreement. You. Are. Wrong. And you don't know what "bet" means.



Yeah, facts are bull



It had everything to do with the terms of the bet, which you did not agree to.



Based on what? Did I promise that I would be gone if you just posted the pics? No.




I know that I provided proof that you are wrong, and you are still trying to argue otherwise.



The time had to do with the terms of the bet. You didn't like the terms, so you didn't agree.



Lie # 6

I never made a bet with you. You claimed that you had the music. I claimed that you didn't. I was wrong. That's it.

There was no bet. I did not agree to leave if you posted the pics. If you don't believe me, check our exchange.




Why wouldn't I be?

You are a ing liar who is too stupid to know what a bet is.

I could post the definition of "bet" from another source, but at this point, what's the point? You already tried to argue that the actual definition of the term "bet" is wrong, so facts clearly don't matter to you.

The facts are very simple. You ran your big ing mouth then got punked. Now I'm ing with you for being such an asshole about it. dude you couldn't even..."ok man sorry about that"....so you punk. Right now I'm enjoying watching you ...."see see I said...."....hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! When you call someone names for weeks because you think they are lying then find out that no they weren't it might be cool to apologize, ya think? no not from you, so you prick!

[redzero]

Avante was proven to have been wrong in this thread several times.
Even though he was proven to be wrong, he still tried to claim that I was wrong.
After he could not make himself look any more ridiculous by trying to claim that facts are wrong, he pulls the "I was just trolling all along" card.

You got absolutely destroyed in this thread.

[Avante]

Avante was proven to have been wrong in this thread several times.
Even though he was proven to be wrong, he still tried to claim that I was wrong.
After he could not make himself look any more ridiculous by trying to claim that facts are wrong, he pulls the "I was just trolling all along" card.

You got absolutely destroyed in this thread.

I got destroyed......hahaha!!!!!!! Dude, how many weeks did you tell me how I was this and I was that and I had no music and I was a liar and ...yakyakyak..? Then...BOOM!...there it is for all to see, not tell me slick who got destroyed? And you still haven't admitted to how badly you were worked. You got totally crushed little fella, and everyone saw it. You were soooooooooooooooo completely wrong and you still owe me an apology. So where is it?

Look at you in this thread once again totally worked, I almost felt guilty watching you do all those jumping jacks, dude I thought you'd have enought common sense to figure it out....nope!!!!!!!!!

Where's my apology?

[redzero]

I don't owe you , lying moron.

I admitted that I was wrong about the records. You got me there. I won't try to lie and claim that you didn't get me, or claim that I was just messing with you, because I can actually admit defeat, unlike you.

You have yet to ever admit that you were wrong about anything. You always think you are right. You were banned from multiple forums for your ty at ude. You are treated like the idiot you are on this forum because of your ty at ude.

You lied. I called you out. You lied some more. I embarrassed you. You tried to claim that you were just joking. I pointed out that you were just trying to save face. You responded by still clinging on me being wrong about the records, because that's all you have.

Seriously, do you have anything else? I constantly give you because you constantly act like a lying idiot, and the only comeback you have is the records. Kind of sad.

[Avante]

I don't owe you , lying moron.

I admitted that I was wrong about the records. You got me there. I won't try to lie and claim that you didn't get me, or claim that I was just messing with you, because I can actually admit defeat, unlike you.

You have yet to ever admit that you were wrong about anything. You always think you are right. You were banned from multiple forums for your ty at ude. You are treated like the idiot you are on this forum because of your ty at ude.

You lied. I called you out. You lied some more. I embarrassed you. You tried to claim that you were just joking. I point out that you are just trying to save face. You respond my still clinging on me being wrong about the records, because that's all you have.

Seriously, do you have anything else? I constantly give you because you constantly act like a lying idiot, and the only comeback you have is the records. Kind of sad.

Let's try some reality, ok?

You never said you were sorry for the bad mouthing did you? Telling me the obvious..."you were wrong"...is not an apology. You were going to be wrong, I had the music.

I was banned from ...two...forums in over 10 years of posting on a ton of forums. I wasn't banned for a ty at ude I was banned for taking a couple moderators to school.

You didn't embarrash anyone, if anyone should be embarrashed it's you. You were shown up slick, you went on and on and on about how I didn't have and.......then-BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!..there it was.

You follow me around because you're a ing idiot who gets a nut messing with people, so I toy with your dumbass just like I did with the music, I could have had those pictures taken at any time so why didn't I, yep I was having fun watching you foam at the mouth just like I am right now. You suck dude, very long and extremely hard, I use you and abuse just like the little you are.

You're a tool dude, cheap entertainment.

[redzero]

Let's try some reality, ok?

Okay, let's try some reality.

You never said you were sorry for the bad mouthing did you? Telling me the obvious..."you were wrong"...is not an apology. You were going to be wrong, I had the music.

Reality: I don't owe you an apology.

I was banned from ...two...forums in over 10 years of posting on a ton of forums. I wasn't banned for a ty at ude I was banned for taking a couple moderators to school.

Knowing how you behave around here, I find your account of what happened unreliable.

You didn't embarrash anyone, if anyone should be embarrashed it's you. You were shown up slick, you went on and on and on about how I didn't have and.......then-BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!..there it was.

I did embarrass you. You several times tried to argue that the definition of "bet" was wrong. That is embarrassing.

still clinging on the records.

You follow me around because you're a ing idiot who gets a nut messing with people, so I toy with your dumbass just like I did with the music, I could have had those pictures taken at any time so why didn't I, yep I was having fun watching you foam at the mouth just like I am right now. You suck dude, very long and extremely hard, I use you and abuse just like the little you are.

still clinging to the records because it's the only thing you have.

You're a tool dude, cheap entertainment.

Not really. Whenever you make an argument, I can always expect it to be incomprehensible, illogical, rambling, and filled with logical fallacies.

You lied a lot in the past few days, and I called you out each time. The only thing you have on me is the record collection. That's it. That's what you keep going back to. You have nothing else. You can't argue worth a damn. When you do get destroyed in an argument, you either pretend that you were joking or claim victory and run off.

That's the reality of the situation. You should accept it. There would be more dignity in it.

[Avante]

Okay, let's try some reality.

Reality: I don't owe you an apology.

Knowing how you behave around here, I find your account of what happened unreliable.
I did embarrass you. You several times tried to argue that the definition of "bet" was wrong. That is embarrassing.

still clinging on the records.
still clinging to the records because it's the only thing you have.

Not really. Whenever you make an argument, I can always expect it to be incomprehensible, illogical, rambling, and filled with logical fallacies.

You lied a lot in the past few days, and I called you out each time. The only thing you have on me is the record collection. That's it. That's what you keep going back to. You have nothing else. You can't argue worth a damn. When you do get destroyed in an argument, you either pretend that you were joking or claim victory and run off.

That's the reality of the situation. You should accept it. There would be more dignity in it.

There is it right there..."you can't argue worth "....that is all you are about like I said. You are only here to argue and pester and you suck at it. You are too stupid to realize it however. You got owned amigo. I had you doing exactly what I knew you would, you are that predictable. You thrive on humping legs and I know it so what do I do, yep, wax down a leg for yout o hump and it's funnier than watching you go to work, totally funny. You get worked everytime you latch on to my leg and the sad part is that you really don't see it. Everyone else does trust me.

Ok man you've gave me enought..hahahahaha!!!!!!...to last me awhile, now beat it, I'm bored with ya.

Now what this little come back again, yep that predictable. Watch.

[Clipper Nation]

You know why all religions suck? They allow people like Avante into their membership...