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    Yeah, I've been weaning myself offa cigs with the, somewhat more than occasional, cigar. Mebbe I should try the elect. cigs. I tried one of those NJoy brands. It wasn't too bad, but was heavier than I expected. I dropped the damn thing every 30 seconds.

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    Holy , WC. Level and pressure are not the same ing thing.


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    Not to mention that the oxygen pressure (the amount of oxygen molecules) in the same air volume at 10,000 ft is about 1/3 of sea-level.
    I bolded where it says "oxygen level" there. Right, it doesn't.

    Next time just quote me, so you don't put words on other people's mouth.

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    Yeah, I've been weaning myself offa cigs with the, somewhat more than occasional, cigar. Mebbe I should try the elect. cigs. I tried one of those NJoy brands. It wasn't too bad, but was heavier than I expected. I dropped the damn thing every 30 seconds.
    I have tried many over the years. I finally settled on a Joye eGO with dual coil cartomizer. For the juice: 24mg nicotine, USA-Mix, VG only.

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    Make that the eGo "Mega"...

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    What does change is the pressure. This declines with al ude. At sea level the air pressure is about 101 kPa (kilopascals). Oxygen accounts for 21% of this so the oxygen pressure is 19.6 kPa. This means that there are less oxygen molecules in the same volume of air at higher al udes.
    No Sherlock. 101 kPa * 0.21 is 21.2. Close enough.
    At 10,000 feet the oxygen pressure drops to 7.2 kPa, which is roughly one third of the pressure at sea level.
    Except the atmospheric pressure drops to about 69 kPa. 69 * 0.21 is 14.49. Not 7.2.

    Your precious 7.2 is in the arterial levels. Go back to the link you supplied and look.
    No it doesn't. This is the pressure inside the arteries. Go back and read your precious link. The partial O2 is about double your 7.2 kPa value in the atmosphere.
    Last edited by Wild Cobra; 09-26-2012 at 08:10 AM.

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    So I never said:

    ElNono claimed oxygen was 1/3rd the level at 10,000 ft.
    Okay...

    I'm not going to get into this discussion again. Spent 3 pages and many hours last night and a) you still don't get it, b) it's irrelevant to the OP.

    Not my problem anymore. I moved back to the topic at hand.

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    Holy , WC. Level and pressure are not the same ing thing.

    Are you not following?

    Level at 10,000 ft. is 1/3rd that of sea level...

    this is clearly a comparison saying the oxygen is 1/3rd as much at 10,000 ft as it is at sea level, 0 ft.

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    So I never said:



    Okay...

    I'm not going to get into this discussion again. Spent 3 pages and many hours last night and a) you still don't get it, b) it's irrelevant to the OP.

    Not my problem anymore. I moved back to the topic at hand.
    LOL...

    Sore loser...

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    Are you not following?

    Level at 10,000 ft. is 1/3rd that of sea level...

    this is clearly a comparison saying the oxygen is 1/3rd as much at 10,000 ft as it is at sea level, 0 ft.

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    LOL...

    Sore loser...
    Lol straw victory

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    OK Chump.

    Where am I wrong about the partial oxygen pressures being about 69% at 10,000 ft. as they are at sea level.

    Where is ElNono right at saying partial oxygen pressure is about 1/3rd as much as they are at sea level?

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    OK Chump.

    Where am I wrong about the partial oxygen pressures being about 69% at 10,000 ft. as they are at sea level.

    Where is ElNono right at saying partial oxygen pressure is about 1/3rd as much as they are at sea level?
    Could i have the exact quote where he said that?

    Thanks.

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    Could i have the exact quote where he said that?

    Thanks.
    Not to mention that the oxygen pressure (the amount of oxygen molecules) in the same air volume at 10,000 ft is about 1/3 of sea-level.
    I point out:
    No.

    At 5,000 ft it's 83% of sea level.

    At 8,000 ft it's 78% of sea level.

    At 10,000 ft it's 69% of sea level.

    Where did you get the 1/3rd from anyway?
    My numbers were from Engineering Toolbox. ElNono replies:
    The percentage of oxygen in the atmosphere does not change with al ude, so it is about 21% at 10 000 feet.

    What does change is the pressure. This declines with al ude. At sea level the air pressure is about 101 kPa (kilopascals). Oxygen accounts for 21% of this so the oxygen pressure is 19.6 kPa. This means that there are less oxygen molecules in the same volume of air at higher al udes.

    At 10,000 feet the oxygen pressure drops to 7.2 kPa, which is roughly one third of the pressure at sea level.

    From here

    The 1/3 coming from 7.2 kPA being about one-third of 19.6 kPA...
    This is a false statement.

    At sea level, the atmosphere is 101 kPa. 21% of that is 21.21 kPa. At some point in the thread, I pointed out that the 19.6 would be valid for about a 250 ft elevation, but that's unimportant. The two numbers are close. However, atmospheric pressure at 10,000 ft is 71 kPa by the source link that was in the link ElNono furnished. The author of the WikiAnswers misused the calculator, using the body oxygen levels section instead of the air pressure section. 21% of that is 14.91 kPa, not 7.2 kPa. The problem is, ElNono is relying on the WikiAnswers link author which is wrong. The oxygen level calculator he used that gives the 7.2 KpA number for oxygen partial pressure is for inside the human body. If you look at it, you will get the 7.2 when you use 10,000 ft, but when you note the graph at the lower left, you see the 7.2 kPa is in the "arteries." Not the atmosphere. The far left of the graph has the atmosphere unlabeled other than being between 14 and 15 kPa on the Y axis. Even if we used the "Arteries" numbers, at sea level, the partial pressure of oxygen is 13.3 kPa. The 7.2 kPa is 47%. Not 1/3rd.

    Now as I redid this, and put together the graphic which I am not taking the time to correct, I realized these numbers are "arteries" gas levels. Not lung gas levels. I am going back to edit my posts that say "lung" changing them to "arteries."

    ElNono simply is not willing to admit this 7.2 kPa number he is holding on to is a wrong number for the atmosphere, and his 1/3rd statement, thinking that barometric pressure doesn't matter in this.

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    LOL, anyone actually surprised Mitt is an idiot?

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    Maybe just those little vent windows the old cars used to have.

    Actually, I really miss those.
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    What abortion of a book is that from?

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    So I never said:



    Okay...

    I'm not going to get into this discussion again. Spent 3 pages and many hours last night and a) you still don't get it, b) it's irrelevant to the OP.

    Not my problem anymore. I moved back to the topic at hand.
    Topic at hand...

    You mean making fun of such a silly think that Romney said?

    What you said is far more ignorant, because you claim to know after being shown the truth.

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    Figure the truth out yet ElNono?

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    "silly think"
    truth
    saying I said things I never did
    other posters laughing at you
    still not getting it
    can't let go
    Last edited by ElNono; 09-30-2012 at 10:08 PM.

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    I'm not going to get into this discussion again. Spent 3 pages and many hours last night and a) you still don't get it, b) it's irrelevant to the OP.

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