Spurs: Boris Diaw vs. David Lee

[DAF86]

Please don't kill me.

[DD]

Please don't kill me.

I think you better do what he says, Mr. Kinney

[ED-209]

Please don't kill me.

5....4....3....2....1....I am now authorized to use physical force.

[DAF86]

ing! scene, tbh.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lee might be a 20-10 player, but are those ststs correlated to wins? or just blatant statpadding?

[ace3g]

5....4....3....2....1....I am now authorized to use physical force.

Old ED-209 meet New ED-209

[mavs>spurs]

but are those ststs correlated to wins?

are boris'? yall in idiots you

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lee might be a 20-10 player, but are those ststs correlated to wins? or just blatant statpadding?

I'm sorry, I can't hear that over the sound of you watching anime.

[mavs>spurs]

I'm sorry, I can't hear that over the sound of you watching anime.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

[FkLA]

i love how fkla refuses to look at stats in the argument saying that lee puts up numbers on a bad team whenever diaw couldn't even put up half those numbers on the ing bobcats

I love how mavs>spurs ignores the fact that I conceded long ago that Lee is way better at staying motivated and stat-padding on teams. Lee put up 20-10 on a fast paced GS team with a bunch of injuries where he was likely the 2nd option; something he wouldnt be on a good team. Especially not if he was thrown into the Spurs mid-season.

[flipspursfan]

I would take David Lee over Boris Diaw. Simply put, David Lee is a scorer, a better rebounder and a bigger body. Some argue that he's just a 4th or 5th option on the best teams but isn't Diaw?

[flipspursfan]

Also, it's infuriating that with Diaw's skillset, he can't even carry a team. He's 6'8" or 6'9" for God's sakes.

[Raven]

I like David Lee as a player, but he just isn't a winner or a decent defender...

[FkLA]

I would take David Lee over Boris Diaw. Simply put, David Lee is a scorer, a better rebounder and a bigger body. Some argue that he's just a 4th or 5th option on the best teams but isn't Diaw?

Thats been my point the whole time, which is why you take his 20-10 with a grain of salt cause he wouldnt put those kind of stats on good teams. Comparing who would be a better 4th-5th best player on a team its pretty close and taking Diaw isnt really homerish. Lee is a better rebounder and scorer but Id rather have Diaw because of his range, ability to facilitate, and the fact that hes not a terrible defender.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Boris Diaw is not any better of a defender than Diaw. This is a classic GNSF fallacy of assuming a player who plays for the Spurs is a much better defender than a player who doesn't play for the Spurs.

[FkLA]

No, not really. Saying Diaw is a better defender than Lee is pretty reasonable, not because Diaw is a defensive stopper but because Lee is just that terrible on that end.

[Raven]

Boris Diaw is not any better of a defender than Diaw. This is a classic GNSF fallacy of assuming a player who plays for the Spurs is a much better defender than a player who doesn't play for the Spurs.

i don't think that's true... I mean, Lee was really only part of awful defensive teams while Diaw has been an integral part of a Charlotte playoff team.. Also, San Antonio's D made major strides when Diaw came..

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So your argument regarding who's individual's defense is is which player is on a better defensive team. I truly admire the way Spurfan uses arguments that don't have any logical fallacies

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Lee is just that terrible on that end.

Is the David Lee who's extremely terrible on defense also the David Lee who's bread and butter is midrange jumpers?

[FkLA]

Are you really trying to argue that David Lee isnt a bad defensive player?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Are you really trying to argue that David Lee isnt a bad defensive player?

I'm arguing he's no worse than Diaw, and that he isn't the historically bad defensive player you're portraying him as.

[benefactor]

I don't remember Diaw being a great defender on the Suns. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

[DD]

It's human nature for fans to hype their own scrub players. We've seen this with Gary Neal and Danny Green too--both of which were on the fast-track to slangin rock before Pop picked them up.

[FkLA]

I'm arguing he's no worse than Diaw, and that he isn't the historically bad defensive player you're portraying him as.

Based on what? I dont think Lee has ever shown anything to suggest hes not a bad defender. Diaw showed more defensively just in his short stint with the Spurs, which admittedly wasnt anything special, than Lee ever has.

I don't remember Diaw being a great defender on the Suns. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

Dont get why the word great is being thrown around. I dont think Ive ever called Diaw a defensive stopper, hes simply not a liability which is more than you can say for Lee.