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So based on the rings theory, Robert Horry s on MJ
http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miam...-jordan-legacy
Not sure if this article has been posted.
I disagree with Jackson, not that I am saying James is never going to be as good or better than Jordan, but at the end of James' career, no matter what he does between now and then, James will not exceed Jordan, and that he will not be the greatest of all time.
The reason I have is not because of the number or rings, as I am still maintaining that is a narrow and lazy approach to evaluate a player's greatness, but more in the lines of what James did his first year as a Heat.
What James did in Cleveland was no fault of his own. His team sucked, and he couldn't win a championship because of it. We all learned that no matter how great and dominating a player is, he can't win a ring by himself, and James' Cleveland days proved it. But what he did in 2011 was a monumental collapse that could not be overlooked.
Jordan never went through the same level of down fall in his career. Sure he lost in the playoffs, but his team was out-matched by the opposition every single time. While in 2012, James' Heat fell to the Mavs despite being a heavy favourite. Dirk put on a performance of a life-time that was unbelievable and dominating, but that was the performance we expect out of the players who are in line for the GOAT le, not his opposition.
So based on the rings theory, Robert Horry s on MJ
Kareem is the true GOAT.
People who throw out the Robert Horry red herring to make their case are re s. These are the same gots who get butthurt over Dan Marino not winning a ring, and to justify his chokage they'll bring up a similar "well, Trent Dilfer must be great!" argument.
We're talking about/comparing great players only.
STOP BEING RE ED.
MJ s on Kobe
The amount of posts you have s on your life.....
James can surpass Jordan, definitely. It all depends on the number of dominating playoff performances he can rack up. Rings are a part of the equation, finals MVPs are the crowning achievement.
Mj s on Kobe but it's pretty interesting that Phil didn't call asterisk on lebrons first ring
So, nevermind the fact that James followed up that "downfall" with a regular season MVP, Finals MVP, NBA Championship and an Olympic gold medal the following year, the first year he was with a different team he was supposed to win the championship against a team that swept the defending champs. Ok.
If Dirk didn't go God mode and Jet didn't rain 3s like nobody's business, and if the Heat won that series, no one talks about James' woes except Bob Costas perhaps. Face it, you're judging James based on the fact that they lost, which is in itself a rings argument.
So using the "COUNT DA RINGZZZ" argument Bill Russell is the undisputed GOAT and MJ merely sniffs the top 10?
I will remeber det next time ur got ass gets ta popping off at da mouth bout Kobe being gifted Gasol, Dwight, and Nash
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and 4 da record Horry was never an All-Star when he rang so it's a self defeating argument...
Kobe's cousin with the brutal haymaker.
Losing with a stacked team and not inning with a bad team are two different things. Not being in the playoffs with a bad team and not winning it all with a bad team are also two different thingsI will remeber det next time ur got ass gets ta popping off at da mouth bout Kobe being gifted Gasol, Dwight, and Nash
I am it discounting the 2012 season, but Jordan had like 5 of those. I am counting the 2011 season though but not becaus the heat lost, it's because the heat lost while Lebron sucked. I can't think of any of the goats having A errible series while his team lost with a better team and lots of help.
Every "goat" has exclusive attributes in their careers. You cannot say, for example, that because MJ never played center like Magic, he's not as good, or that because Magic doesn't have 6 rings that he wasn't as good, or that Bird wasn't good because he never repeated. You cannot compare everyone to MJ's attributes to show how they won't ever be considered the greatest of all time. People get there in different ways, and you seem to be marking off the MJ list that no one else is working from.
As good as MJ was, he was a media darling and advertising . He advertised everything under the sun. He was world popular not because he won, but because he dominated in the one on one game. Winning just validated his greatness. James is winning, and he's a world famous superstar. He will get even bigger if he continues to win (which I think he will). Sure he doesn't have the killer instinct that MJ had, but Kobe does and he'll never be considered as good as MJ because he played close second string for most of his rings.
Last edited by DMC; 10-09-2012 at 08:23 PM.
lol dumbfck
I still on you
Medvedenk
Re ed bandwagon Lakers fan
Thinks Kobie is as good as MJ
Glorified Pippen
Trying to be funny
Lives in his parents basement
Meh. Don't really care for the overrated, media created superstar known as Michael Jordan.
Kareem Abdul Jabbar seriously gets the short end of the stick in the GOAT debate. He's my ideal basketball player. It's too bad he never sold out and was never media friendly. Maybe then he'd get his proper due.
If he sold out AAU teams would have good post play, tbh...
Haha, definitely agree. AAU is disgusting with it's complete lack of players that have fundamentals.
MJ was just god of the game and don't see no one coming nearly as good anytime soon. neither kobe nor bron has ever been close to the height of jordan, which's a simple fact that most laker fans seem to have a hard time accepting
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