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Gecko is way ahead in the blatant lying, con man, and fake strong man category. Will Ryan carry on? Will Ryan actually find the time do us some math? Gecko refuses to list his loopholes to close $5T in tax cuts.
” I don’t know how Paul will take on the debate,” Romney told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “Obviously the Vice President has done 15-20 debates in his lifetime—he is an experienced debater—I think this is Paul’s first debate. I may be wrong, he may have done something in high school we don’t know. But, it will be a new experience for Paul, but I am sure he will do fine...
Ryan has actually participated in at least eight debates during his fourteen years in Congress according to available articles and information provided by the Ryan campaign.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ebate-history/
Gecko is way ahead in the blatant lying, con man, and fake strong man category. Will Ryan carry on? Will Ryan actually find the time do us some math? Gecko refuses to list his loopholes to close $5T in tax cuts.
Boutons =
Just Shake him and he spits out the same old .
My bet is Ryan will take the old guy to the shed. Honestly, you can't run from the past 4 years. Biden will shoot off one liners as if he is at a democratic party trying to laugh his way out of the last 4 years and that won't go well with the independents. Thats my prediction. God bless
Ryan will be decleared the winner. He will be more passionate and aggressive and that is all it takes to win these debates.
Very interested in this debate. I'm wondering if Ryan can connect the dots and shoot some solid answers.
Don't expect any numbers from Ryan. They know that doesn't matter with most voters. Just win the style points, be on the aggressive offensive and make sure you get the last word in on every topic. It will be more of the same.
I expect Biden to be much more aggressive than Obama was. If he was smart, he would aim his attacks at Mitt Romney, and not Paul Ryan. Ryan is insignificant at this point, he has basically disappeared from the campaign. As for Ryan himself, I'm sure he will assault the economic record of the past four years. He's a numbers guy, so I expect a lot of numbers out of him.
sons even dumb ass Sarah Palin held her own with Biden. I expect Ryan to sweep and mop the floor with this clown.
here's how it's gonna go
Ryan"You didn't do what you said you would do 4 years ago, blah blah blah deficit blah blah blah taxes, yada yada not cutting social security etc etc. wait we are cutting social security but old people vote for us cause it won't happen to you.......................trying to kill big bird...........blah yada etc. me and mitt are gonna do all this even though we have no plan on how to do it, which is cool cause barack/biden had the same plan (promising to do but can't or won't) and they won so we'll win the same way. Yay red team America is ed either way good night and God bless the United States of America.
Honestly, Palin was way overmatched in 2008.
Ryan is less overmatched, but Biden is definitely on Clinton's level as someone who's actually able to connect with people and be sincere in a debate.
with the economy being the tiest it's ever been since the great depression i think the obama team were doomed to end up on the losing side regardless of how hard they try, and it doesn't mean ryan & romney are better rhetoricians than obama and biden tbh
Paul Ryan: The Lyin' King -- 10 of His Worst Campaign Fabrications
Mitt Romney pollster Neil Newhouse recently said that the Romney campaign is “not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers.” If the past few weeks are any indication, Paul Ryan is sticking pretty close to that strategy. Here are his most recent lies, going back to his universally [4] fact-checked Republican National Convention speech. Come back: We’ll update throughout the rest of the campaign.
10. “I voted for the Budget Control Act. But the Obama Administration proposed $478 billion in defense cuts. We don’t agree with that, our budget rejected that, and then on top of that is another $500 billion in defense cuts in the sequester.” Truth:Ryan has been doing back flips to explain why he has been criticizing the Democrats for the $600 million “sequestration” cuts that will automatically go into effect if there’s no budget compromise by December. Ryan, in fact, voted for [5] those cuts. The sequestration cuts, along with $487 million in other defense cuts, were both a part of the Budget Control Act. (September 9, 2012) [6]
9. “And by the way, under President Clinton, we got welfare reform … which moved people from welfare to work, to get people out of poverty. President Obama is rolling back welfare reform.” Truth: President Obama granted [7]several Republican governors new flexibility for how to implement welfare standards, but did not eliminate the current existing requirements. The claim about the work requirement was universally debunked by fact checkers, and by Bill Clinton. (September 5, 2012) [8]
8. “Under three, high twos. I had a two hour and fifty-something … I was fast when I was younger, yeah.” Truth: Runner’s World [9]fact-checked Ryan’s claims that he had run a marathon in under three hours, and found that he is recorded to have finished in just over four hours. Ryan later backtracked [9]. (August 31, 2012) [10]
7. “When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory. A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: ‘I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another hundred years.’ That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day.” Truth: Ryan blamed Obama for the plant’s closure, but in reality [11] the plant had closed before Obama was even sworn into office, during the Bush era. (August 29, 2012) [12]
6. “The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare, and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal.” Truth: The non-partisan CBO estimates [13] that the stimulus helped create 3.3 million jobs, and most economists agree it was at least somewhat successful. Ryan himself requested stimulus money for his district in 2009-2010, then got caught [14] lying about it. (August 29, 2012) [12]
5. “Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama. An obligation we have to our parents and grandparents is being sacrificed, all to pay for a new en lement we didn’t even ask for. The greatest threat to Medicare is Obamacare, and we’re going to stop it.” Truth: The savings in Medicare come from [15] cuts to reimbursements to hospitals and insurance companies, not from seniors, and go to paying for the healthcare law. By repealing the ACA and restoring those reimbursements, Romney and Ryan would in fact hasten [16]Medicare’s demise. (August 29, 2012) [12]
4. “You see, even with all the hidden taxes to pay for the health care takeover …” Truth: In 2010, Politifact deemed the “government takeover of health care” meme its “Lie of the Year,”writing [17] that ”the law Congress passed, parts of which have already gone into effect, relies largely on the free market.” (August 29, 2012) [12]
3. “He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.” Truth: Ryan, who served on the commission, voted against [18] its recommendations. So did the other House Republicans. (August 29, 2012) [12]
2. Obama “began with a perfect Triple-A credit rating for the United States; it ends with a downgraded America.” Truth: The credit downgrade in 2011 was the result of House Republicans’ refusal to raise the debt ceiling. Standard & Poors cited the use of the debt ceiling and the threat of default as “political bargaining chips” when explaining why [19] it downgraded America’s credit rating. S&P noted that the Republicans’ refusal to find ways to raise new revenues impacted the decision as well. (August 29,
2012) [12]
1. “We have responsibilities, one to another — we do not each face the world alone. And the greatest of all responsibilities, is that of the strong to protect the weak.” Truth: About two-thirds of the spending cuts in Ryan’s budget plan come from [20] programs that benefit poor people, while at the same time it cuts taxes for the wealthiest Americans. (August 29, 2012) [12]
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-pol...n-fabrications
Just another HUGE LIE from the Repug TEAM LIARS
Romney: ‘We Don’t Have People Who Die Because They Don’t Have Insurance’
Emergency rooms serve as a place of last resort, but 45,000 Americans still die every year because they lack health insurance, or one every 12 minutes. Uninsured adults under age 65 are also at a 40 percent higher death risk. Hospitals may treat patients for emergency medical conditions regardless of legal status or ability to pay, but patients with chronic conditions that don’t require emergency interference are often unable to access needed care.
Romney’s health care proposal would leave 72 million Americans without health insurance and wouldn’t provide all uninsured Americans with a stable source of insurance.
http://thinkprogress.org/election/20...ured-hospital/
Paul Ryan Reading Guide: The Best Reporting on the VP Candidate
Paul Ryan’s voting record: Big-spending conservatism, Politico, August 2012
Ryan’s non-budget votes, Washington Post, August 2012
What is Paul Ryan worth?, Huffington Post, August 2012
Fussbudget, The New Yorker, August 2012
Ryan shines as GOP seeks vision, The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, April 2009
The Legendary Paul Ryan, New York Magazine, April 2012
On the paradox of Paul Ryan, The American Conservative, April 2012
Man with a Plan, Weekly Standard, July 2012
How Important is Altas Shrugged author Ayn Rand to Paul’s political philosophy? The Atlas Society, April 2012
A Closer Look at Ryan’s Budget Roadmaps, The New York Times, August 2012
What's Paul Ryan's foreign policy? Foreign Policy, April 2012
Where the Candidates Stand on Medicare and Medicaid, ProPublica, September 2012
Obama, Romney, Ryan All Endorse Retraining for Jobless – But Are They Right?, ProPublica, October 2012
etc
http://www.propublica.org/article/pa...e-vp-candidate
People forget that. God bless
It's not the lack of insurance that kills them, in many cases it's just the nature of the at risk demographic that doesn't buy insurance.
Why do you think aren't they buying insurance if they're at risk?
It's not the lack of insurance that kills them, in many cases it's just the nature of the at risk demographic that doesn't buy insurance.
Not "don't buy", but can't buy due to exhorbitant, rip-off prices, medical conditions, and/or ty jobs with no employer insurance. Were you a heartless asshole before you got rich or were you born a heartless asshole?
It's not the lack of insurance that kills them, in many cases it's just the nature of the at risk demographic that doesn't buy insurance.
You misunderstand me. In that Birth to 65 age bracket when you take ALL causes of death like that statistic does, a huge percentage (and no I can't quote the exact number) are violent deaths...accidents, car crashes, drug overdoses, murders etc. and those violent deaths tend to occur more in certain socioeconomic groups which have a tendency to also not have insurance.
Oh, and with bad illnesses people with insurance can die just as dead. My sister had great insurance and cancer still killed the out of her.
Ah, ok, thanks for the clarification. I would say it's likely that those socioeconomic groups don't have insurance not just due to being more "risky", but because I think it's likely that those groups are younger on average, and the earning power of a lot of younger people in society isn't very high. Especially when you couple the fact that unemployment is high, and health insurance without being supported by an employer is higher (so I hear, I wouldn't know being military :p)
No matter what happens, Goldman Sachs wins
Agreed. That why Boutox's claim defied logic in claiming that lack of insurance caused their deaths.
still does not prove that Gecko's claim that nobody dies in USA for lack of health insurance.
and proves even less that uninsured people who do get health care very often get care very late when their disease is more advanced and more costly to treat.
the young vs old is too fine a point.
Plenty of uninsured "working poor" live like that through old age.
In fact, Americans' longevity for people who make it to 65/Medicare starts to be nearly as good as other industrial countries with life-long insurance/health care.
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