In your honest, non-biased opinion ... who won the Vice Pres. debate tonight?

[mavs>spurs]

also, biden defending the white house on the libya debacle was pretty hilarious to watch. neither guy could be considered a "winner" after that lackluster fest tbh.

[ElNono]

neither one of them was telling the truth or making any sense whatsoever.

for instance biden bringing up the dem talking point about "side B doesn't want to raise the taxes on the rich, we do!" while simultaneously doing nothing about the loopholes that keep the actual rates down. the average person watching these debates don't understand tax rates vs effective tax rates.

Agreed. Or Ryan dodging detailing how they're going to increase spending on the military, cut taxes and then rail about the deficit...

Both teams are full of , but every smart person knew that going in.

[mavs>spurs]

Agreed. Or Ryan dodging detailing how they're going to increase spending on the military, cut taxes and then rail about the deficit...

Both teams are full of , but every smart person knew that going in.

yep, both guys could be broken down and totally dismantled if you wanted to point out the others flaws. anyone picking a winner here plays for the crips or the bloods tbh.

[BRHornet45]

Don't hate on me, apparently facts don't matter to Romney either, or so his campaign manager said.



Calm down, son. You sound like an agitated republican. It's ok. Mitt will probably clean Barry's clock in the next debate anyways.

lol son you're debate skills are very similar to Biden's. you're telling me to calm down and making silly claims, yet your the one who appears to be worked up about all of this.

[ElNono]

yep, both guys could be broken down and totally dismantled if you wanted to point out the others flaws. anyone picking a winner here plays for the crips or the bloods tbh.

These debates are all about style points, tbh... it was the same thing with the last debate...

[ElNono]

lol son you're debate skills are very similar to Biden's. you're telling me to calm down and making silly claims, yet your the one who appears to be worked up about all of this.

You asked for a opinion, I gave mine... you jumped on me like I attacked your white side... I don't recall you being this agitated on the last poll, tbh...

[ploto]

CBS flash poll of undecided voters

Biden 50%
Ryan 31%
Tie 19%

[rascal]

Biden won this debate. Ryan looked like a kid not ready for the big stage.

[mavs>spurs]

ryan just isn't very likeable..like you said it's all about style points. ryan is a and worse than your average politician when it comes to flip flopping/pandering.

[ElNono]

ryan just isn't very likeable..like you said it's all about style points. ryan is a and worse than your average politician when it comes to flip flopping/pandering.

IMO, Ryan is just too transparent when telling bull ... it's like he hasn't mastered the master liar skill yet... when pressed about specifics, he looked uncomfortable and dodging... Mitt did much better on that department...

[jack sommerset]

Looks like CNN poll has Ryan as winner. 48 to 44. God bless

[jack sommerset]

Once the dust clears and the independents wake up and start talking about the debate they will agree Ryan won. God bless

[BRHornet45]

IMO, Ryan is just too transparent when telling bull ... it's like he hasn't mastered the master liar skill yet... when pressed about specifics, he looked uncomfortable and dodging... Mitt did much better on that department...

and you think that Biden is any better? Biden looks like a used car salesman or a personal injury attorney the way that he spins everything that comes out of his mouth. lol

[TheMACHINE]

"Bidden clearly won. He laughed at everything Ryan said which means he won. -Democrat voter

[ploto]

I care about content and it was not even close.

[ElNono]

and you think that Biden is any better? Biden looks like a used car salesman or a personal injury attorney the way that he spins everything that comes out of his mouth. lol

That's the point, son. They're both full of , but on style points, Biden *is* the experience used car salesman...

[ElNono]

Looks like CNN poll has Ryan as winner. 48 to 44. God bless

+/- 5% margin of error... lol

[BRHornet45]

"Bidden clearly won. He laughed at everything Ryan said which means he won. -Democrat voter

this

[jack sommerset]

I don't know how anyone can say Biden won this debate. I don't know how anyone would be proud to have this guy as the VP. He was tacky, bitter, rude, clumsy, stuttering, whinny and as our brother elnono said both are liars, so let's single out go old joe out as a liar too. Ryan won. God bless

[jack sommerset]

"Bidden clearly won. He laughed at everything Ryan said which means he won. -Democrat voter

God bless

[BRHornet45]

+/- 5% margin of error... lol

so what's your point? son all polls have a +/- margin of error. the fact of the matter is that CNN (an often times Democratic leaning network) shows that the debate was close. I applaud CNN for exposing facts and they have done a much better job of reporting news this time around than any of the other news networks.

[ElNono]

I don't know how anyone can say Biden won this debate. I don't know how anyone would be proud to have this guy as the VP. He was tacky, bitter, rude, clumsy, stuttering, whinny and as our brother elnono said both are liars, so let's single out go old joe out as a liar too. Ryan won. God bless

Sounds this is very important to you jack... let it all out

[hitmanyr2k]

"Bidden clearly won. He laughed at everything Ryan said which means he won. -Democrat voter

Like I said before, I found Biden's smirking humorous but the other reason I didn't mind it was because Biden usually followed up rather well and justified that grin with his forceful responses. He was basically saying "this guy is full of it" with his grin and then he at least justified it with good explanations why. Ryan was Mr. Vague for the most part. He was ducking and dodging out there. I'm really surprised the GOP calls that dude the "math and budget" guy. From what he's shown he doesn't seem to know a thing about math or budget or how to explain it other than bringing up Reagan and Tip O'Neill. The moderator asked him three times how are you going to make this work and he couldn't answer. I actually think Ryan WANTED Biden to interrupt to save his ass It surprised me because Ryan has been grilled on the Romney/Ryan budget for about a month now and he should have known it was going to come up in the debate. How do you drop the ball on that? It made him look weak.

[BRHornet45]

Sounds this is very important to you jack... let it all out

see son there you go again making accusations and claiming that others are worked up, yet you're the ONLY person in this thread that is clearly worked up over this lol.

[ElNono]

so what's your point? son all polls have a +/- margin of error. the fact of the matter is that CNN (an often time Democratic leaning network) shows that the debate was close. I applaud CNN for exposing facts and they have done a much better job of reporting news this time around than any of the other news networks.

Let me dumb it down so you can understand it, son. A 44-48 result with a 5% margin of error means it was a virtual tie. Not that "CNN has Ryan as the winner".