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Ofcourse they were both full of . That isn't news.
No MSNBC here... I normally hear what's going on there from the local republicans who love to watch MSNBC...
Ofcourse they were both full of . That isn't news.
I do think Ryan's inability to give specifics is going to be an issue again, however. I do think that part is going to play.
Anyway - done with politics for the night.
How was Romney aggressive and Obama weak, but Biden was rude and Ryan was polite?
TBH..
Biden cleaned Ryan's ing clock.
body language
Ryan smirked smuggly and interrupted Biden, as all. Ryan interrupted the moderator, too.
Did anyone listening to the debate hear anything about DARPA drones, ACTA, NDAA, SOPA, HR 347, much substance on phony sanctions or phony foreign aid, education debt, the Federal Reserve, QE3, eminent domain and property rights, UN troop presence, mic slips, teleprompters at conventions, failed and crony TARP and GM bailouts, CFR, TLC and NATO membership, TSA, HUD, DHS, NSA and FDA expansion, FEMA and CIA black secret black ops budgets, 9/11 questions, Monsanto, Mars Candy, Dupont, Johnson & Johnson, Goldman Sachs and other corporations crony fascist government takeovers and operations...? I didn't hear anything about the DHS and IRS buying up vast amounts of ammo and weapons with our money.. How about you?
lol Good debate
Nobody gives a about that, tbh... kinda like Ron Paul...
I know, exactly
Why don't politicians just ever say..."Look, what I promise won't ever come to fruition but we hope some of it does and in the end I'll give it my best to get done what I promise but I know all of it won't happen so just vote for me because what I'm saying sounds good and in four years I will have aged ten fold than if I wasn't president and then you can give me another chance to make good on everything I promised I was going to do the first time I was elected but by the middle of my second term the race for another president will become center piece and anything good or bad I did while president will be hyperboled in the next campaign of hopefuls to become the same I just went through just to get here in the spot I'm now glad to relinquish because I want to live comfortably as a spokes person and advocate for the rights of people to vote so I can get paid enormous sums of money just to show up and give another speach for a future candidate I know nothing about."
Haha Destroyed?! Exaggerate much.
A Debate With Clarity and Fervor
Thursday night's vice-presidential debate was one of the best and meatiest political conversations in many years, showing that real differences on public policy can be discussed with fervor, anger, laughter and real substance. In contrast to the dismal meeting last week between President Obama and Mitt Romney, this debate gave voters a chance to evaluate the positions of the two tickets, in part because Representative Paul Ryan's nonanswers were accurate reflections of his campaign.
Vice President Joseph Biden Jr. would not sit still for a parade of misleading and often blatantly untruthful descriptions of the state of the economy and the Republican prescriptions for it. Though his grins and head-shakes were often distracting, he did not hesitate to interrupt and demand an end to "malarkey." The result, expertly controlled by the moderator, Martha Raddatz of ABC News, was both entertaining and enlightening.
Mr. Ryan, as always, refused to acknowledge the improvement in the economy, at one point throwing out a canned talking point about the increase in unemployment in the depressed industrial city of Scranton, Pa., Mr. Biden's hometown. "That's how it's going all around America," he said, ignoring the steady reduction in the national jobless rate, which dipped to 7.8 percent last month.
"You don't read the statistics," Mr. Biden said, jumping in. "That's not how it's going. It's going down." He repeatedly pointed out that Mr. Romney had firmly opposed the federal bailout of the auto industry, which turned out to be the single biggest act of job creation in the last four years. Mr. Ryan responded weakly that Mr. Romney was a "car guy," but offered little in the way of economic proposals beyond cutting taxes and ridiculing the Obama administration's stimulus program.
The vice president, who was in charge of that program, actually defended it, breaking with his campaign's usual reticence to discuss an enormously successful effort that, he pointed out, kept the economy from going over a cliff. And he showed Mr. Ryan's hypocrisy on the subject by pointing out that the congressman had asked for stimulus money for his state of Wisconsin, just as other Republicans did even as they vilified the program.
Mr. Ryan's performance on foreign affairs and military issues was at best disingenuous and at worst bumbling. He said he and Mr. Romney agreed with the administration's planned 2014 pullout from Afghanistan but still thought it was a bad idea, a bizarre nonresponse that did little but confuse voters.
He never said what more a Romney administration would do about Syria than is already being done. And on Iran, he simply repeated Republican talking points about Mr. Obama's "weakness" but did not say what Mr. Romney would do differently that would actually affect Iran's nuclear program, apart from starting a war. He had no answer when the moderator asked how effective he thought military action be.
Mr. Biden refused to ignore the condescending remarks that Mr. Ryan and Mr. Romney have made toward the least fortunate, regularly described by the Republican ticket as "takers" who are irresponsibly dependent on government. That at ude, he noted, is reflected in the Republican tax plan that favors the rich. In one of his most effective summaries, he said that if Republicans would just "get out of the way," there might be real action on middle-class tax cuts, jobs bills and mortgage relief.
"Stop talking about how you care about people," he said. "Show me something." Mr. Ryan's predictable response: You said the stimulus would fix the entire economy and it didn't. But he had no responsible answer for increasing growth.
Both candidates, however, demonstrated real engagement on issues that matter. It was a real change for voters starved for substance.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=...&sub=Editorial
Can any Repugs refute the above trashing of Ryan?
I see Fox Repug campaign headquarters is stuck on the Libya ambassador topic, as if that were ALL they have on Barry and think/hope it will get their Gecko elected.
Biden won because he didn't lose ground for the Administration
Ryan asked for federal help as he championed cuts
WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan, a fiscal conservative and critic of federal handouts, has sought for his cons uents in Wisconsin an expansion of food stamps, stimulus money, federally guaranteed business loans, grants to invest in green technology and money under President Barack Obama's health care reform law.
Such requests are at odds with Ryan's public persona as a small-government advocate and tea party favorite who has pledged to tighten Washington's belt.
The Associated Press reviewed 8,900 pages of correspondence between Ryan's congressional office and more than 70 executive branch agencies that it obtained under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act. They showed that for 12 years as a member of Congress, Ryan has sought from the federal government money and benefits that in some cases represent the kinds of largess and specific programs he is now campaigning against.
As Mitt Romney's running mate, Ryan calls those kinds of handouts big-government overreaching. He tells crowds he supports smaller government and rails against what he calls Obama's wasteful spending, including the president's $800 billion stimulus program.
"The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst," Ryan said during his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention. "You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."
And during Thursday's vice presidential debate, Ryan said the stimulus amounted to "$90 billion in green pork to campaign contributors and special-interest groups."
But Ryan's cons uents benefited from stimulus spending and other government-assistance programs, according to AP's review. Ryan once told federal regulators that cutting a stimulus grant for a town in his district at the 11th hour would be "economically devastating."
Much of Ryan's correspondence is similar to other lawmakers performing cons uent duties, describing problems that residents have reported. They include requests such as assisting a family missing airline baggage and helping a man who didn't receive a pancake maker he had ordered.
But in other correspondence, Ryan explicitly supports programs and encourages federal agencies to take actions.
He supported in his congressional letters some Wisconsin farms' share of an $11.8 million loan guarantee, but later criticized other loan guarantees, such as the $535 million loan that went to now-defunct solar panel maker Solyndra. He asked transportation officials for a grant for green technology and alternative fuels, although his proposed budget as House budget chairman called loans for electric car development "corporate welfare."
He's also supported federal money to help a Kenosha, Wis., community center cover health care costs of low-income families under Obama's health care reform law — the very program he and Romney say they will repeal if they win the White House.
Ryan spokesman Brendan Buck said AP's findings represented a member of Congress helping people in his district. "Part of being a congressman is vouching for cons uents and helping them navigate the federal bureaucracy when asked," he said.
Among the ways Ryan went to bat for his cons uents, as detailed in his correspondence: ( so RYAN's cons uents aren't Randian moochers or takers?)
—A Kenosha, Wis., community center's grant proposal under the Food Stamps Access Research program, to educate families about the nutritional benefits of food stamps. Ryan said in a 2002 letter the program would increase the enrollment of eligible individuals in the program by providing laptop computers to pre-screen applicants. Ryan's budget proposed cutting food stamps by $134 billion over 10 years, although his spokesman said he "has always made clear we need a strong safety net."
—Letters offering support or forwarding requests for projects funded by stimulus money. Ryan's May 2009 letter to a regional Environmental Protection Agency office asked for its "full consideration" in awarding grant money to an organization under the National Clean Diesel Funding Assistance Program, which reduces diesel emissions.
Ryan also wrote to the EPA in 2009 on behalf of a small town trying to secure $550,000 in stimulus money for utility repairs. Ryan, whose staff requested meetings with the EPA about the matter, said the rescinding of the grant "would be economically devastating" to Sharon, Wis., since it already began spending the money. (The EPA said project costs were incurred before October 2008, making the project ineligible for stimulus cash.) Ryan has also voiced support for millions in EPA grant money to clean up abandoned building sites in Wisconsin towns.
—A 2002 Department of Agriculture loan guarantee to develop a pork-packing and processing plant for farms in the region, including some in his district. The new factory appeared to be "state of the art" and worthy of funding, he said, adding: "It is my hope that the USDA will reach a favorable decision" on the application for a 60 percent federal loan guarantee toward a $19.7 million loan.
—A Kenosha health center's request to use money under Obama's new health care law to help meet health care needs of "thousands of new patients" who lack coverage. Ryan's December 2010 letter to the Department of Health and Human Services, first reported by the Nation magazine and also obtained by the AP, appears at odds with his pledge to repeal "Obamacare."
—Support for a grant for the Historical Society in Milton, Wis., from the National Park Service for $271,000 in order to preserve a Civil War-era home. Ryan supported the plan in 2002, saying historical artifacts inside the former transfer point for slaves "have aged to a point where aggressive preservation and restoration is needed to save them." Meanwhile, he's supported recent cuts to the federal budget that would invariably affect national parks.
The AP obtained requested do ents from nearly every executive branch agency, although many have been slow to provide any relevant files. Some Obama administration agencies declined AP's request to quickly turn over materials even though they involve an election that's just weeks away.
http://mobile.sfgate.com/sfchron/db_...l=true#display
Fact checking the vice-presidential debate
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...eck=0&denied=1
Seems they were both full of hooey, half-thruths, and exaggerations.
Translation: Par for the course. Carry on.
Victory in not sucking.
Who's been giving Obama and Biden advice on these debates?
They know the debates are televised, right?
With the exception of Romney/Ryan likely appointing a conservative activist judge to the Supreme Court.
What do you think he meant by that sentence? He chose his words very carefully.RADDATZ: I want to go back to the abortion question here. If the Romney-Ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe that abortion should remain legal be worried?
RYAN: We don't think that unelected judges should make this decision; that people through their elected representatives in reaching a consensus in society through the democratic process should make this determination.
"We don't think that unelected judges should make this decision"
No, "we want" judges elected, compromised, interest-conflicted,working for corporate/1% corrupters, and certainly not applying the law.
Romney/Ryan want a system where the majority rules, which is not conducive to a society of tolerance. Try majority rule in some small Southern bible belt town. They would have laws that prohibit any other religious organization from setting up shop. Dry counties are a good example of that sort of thing. We must have a judicial system that's impartial to politics as much as humanly possible, not one that decides based on keeping their jobs.
Lol Smokin Joe Biden
"Romney/Ryan want a system where the majority rules"
nothing wrong with that, except when the minorities are not protected, by the courts and police, from majority abuses.
Then that's what's wrong with it. That "when" always happens in a pure "majority rules" society. There's no provision for the minority since the majority makes the rules. You need government, and mob rule isn't government. It's basically just a vote counter.
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