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That was another whopper.
I also found it highly ironic that Mr. Numbers couldn't be honest about the loopholes he would have to close to get a 20% rate reduction.
Not that I blame him, you would have to take a lot of tax code gimmies to a lot of people to make the math work. Given Ryans wonkish bent, he knows this, which is why he evaded with vague talk of "frameworks".
I happen to support that, BTW. The tax code needs simplifying.
I just don't trust the GOP to do it.
That was another whopper.
You didn't watch the debate?
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You wouldn't hear him lie if he was telling you that you had eight arms, a potted plant for a head, and unicorn hooves. You would nod and say it was the best policy idea you had ever heard, and you ing know it.
But, that said, challenge accepted.
I don't think you really want to know how much you being lied to Yonivore. Might have to wait for the weekend, but it should be interesting to see the Republican version of "hope and change" for what it is.
So, you and ElNono got nothing?
Draw, for the most part. Biden got a bit too testy to be likeable, but did not let Ryan get away with lying through his teeth.
Dude, even you know me better. Don't confuse "no time to get into it" with "nothing to back it up".
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You know, when you interrupt someone to "correct" them and your "correction" is a lie, that doesn't make the original point a lie.
He interrupted Ryan to lie about Libya. He interrupted Ryan to lie about his votes on the military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. He interrupted Ryan to lie about the administration's position on forcing the Catholic church to provide birth control and abortifacients. He interrupted Ryan just to stop him from telling the truth about how ineffective and absolutely bankrupt of ideas the current administration is.
You've got time to tell me you don't have time but no time to tell me one lie told by Paul Ryan?
Oh, and I don't know you at all...don't care to, either.
I'll just point one out, from the transcript:
RYAN: "We cannot allow Iran to gain a nuclear weapons capability. Now, let's take a look at where we've gone — come from. When Barack Obama was elected, they had enough fissile material — nuclear material — to make one bomb. Now they have enough for five."
That's a flat out lie. It's not even debatable. Netanyahu himself advocated for a 20% enrichment "red line" last month. A bomb requires 93% enrichment.
This debate was even more lopsided than the first debate. Biden bullied Paul Ryan throughout. The Congressman came across as weak, and feeble. Morris was killing him on Twitter throughout the first hour. You can tell just how bad it was when Republicans main line of defense is that Biden laughed and smiled to much and that the moderator was not fair to Ryan. The experience gap was noticeable throughout.
The one moment that stands out to me is when Biden called Ryan out for asking for stimulus funds right after Ryan tried attacking the stimulus. It was a gotcha moment on par with Cheney's "This is the first time I've ever seen you" line with John Edwards. It was a shot that struck Ryan right in his credibility.
All that being said, I don't expect this to move the needle much. I think it will stop the bleeding from the first debate, and the polls will stabilize. The debate on Tuesday will be pretty significant. If Obama loses again, it will be a big hit to his credibility, and he may not be able to overcome it.
What? You didn't hear any of his lies? I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you.
Here's a few for you: http://factcheck.org/2012/10/veep-debate-violations/
Ryan was wrong when he said a rise in the jobless rate in Biden’s hometown was “how it’s going all around America.” The rate nationally has sunk back to where it was when Obama took office. And in Ryan’s hometown, it’s more than 4 percentage points lower that it was at the start of Obama’s term.Ryan was off base when he said of a cost-saving panel created by the Affordable Care Act, “not one of them even has to have medical training.” Actually, the board must include physicians and other health care professionals among its members.Here's another! http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/de...ial/2012-10-11Ryan at one point ground out a collection of shopworn misstatements about the health care law that we’ve had to rebut time and again, claiming “20 million people … are projected to lose their health insurance” (not true), that premiums have gone up $3,000 (no, they haven’t) and that 7.4 million seniors “are going to lose” Medicare Advantage plans (maybe, but they’d still be covered by traditional Medicare).
And hey, one of your "fact checks" left out the part Ryan got wrong... http://m.jacksonville.com/news/natio...oth-make-slipsThe claim of Mr. Obama apologizing for American values has been repeatedly found to be inaccurate: While Mr. Obama has acknowledged American failings at times — and, like his predecessor, George W. Bush, has on at least one occasion apologized for a specific act of American wrongdoing abroad — he has never explicitly apologized for American values or diplomacy.
So, there's some anyways...RYAN: "What troubles me more is how this administration has handled all of these issues. Look at what they're doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They're infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals."
THE FACTS: The requirement under the health care law that most employers cover birth control free of charge to female employees does not apply to churches, houses of worship, or other ins utions directly involved in propagating a religious faith. It does apply to church-affiliated ins utions such as hospitals and charities that serve the general public.
It's like boutons... he thought Biden was honest throughout
Frankly, given the intelligence communities failures over the past 15 years, from Iraq to Benghazi, I don't think anyone has a clear picture of exactly where Iran is in the process of acquiring nuclear weapons. What we do know is that they're bent on doing so, the current administration has done NOTHING to stem that ambition (remember when Obama was going to open a dialog with Iran?) , and Iran is closer today than they were on January 21, 2009.
I believe the "lie" to which you refer was a statement on how much fissile material Iran had in their possession. It devolved into a Joe Biden interruption about enrichment and delivery systems. Enriched or not, briefcase or ICBM attached, do they have enough fissile material to make 5 weapons or not? And, how do you know?
That's a weak claim. You've got to top Biden's lie about the Catholic Church.
Do you know? I don't know why'd you believe Ryan's claim over Biden's. Ryan made the claim, does he have any proof? As you said above, given the state of the intelligence community, you don't think ANYONE has a clear picture of exactly where Iran is in the process of acquiring nuclear weapons. Yet, Ryan specified they have enough material to build 5 bombs, which seems rather "clear". How do you reconcile these two thoughts?
Your ignorance about what the intelligence community knows about Iran's enrichment process is no excuse. It's well known the US and Israel involvement into hijacking, monitoring and controlling their centrifuges (you could start by googling Operation Olympic Games) for many years now.
I'm fairly sure Israel has a pretty clear picture on where Iran is at with their process. In fact, I'm pretty sure Ryan does too, thus the reason it's an outright lie.
Why would Netanyahu advocate for a 20% enrichment "red line" if he can't know what level of enrichment Iran has?
1. I think his point was that high unemployment is "how it's going all around America." But, if you want to get into the meat of the matter; add back in all those who have quit looking for work and the unemployment rate is in double digits.
2. Care to cite the specific section of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act that says the death panel "must" include physicians and other health care professionals? I'm not doubting you but, this is a minor point that he could have gotten wrong. The existence of an unelected panel of bureaucrats that will have power over the provision of services as a way of cutting costs is bad enough.
3. If you like your doctor you can keep him. If you like your insurance you can keep it. Your insurance premiums will go down. All of those were declarative statements by the Obama administration. I have no idea whether Ryan's numbers are right or wrong but, I do know those three statements are false.
4. Obama has made a point of traveling the world and diminishing our prestige; whether is is by showing undue deference to other world leaders, claiming the United States is no more exceptional than any other nation, or telling President Medvedev to tell Putin to be patient and that he'd have more flexibility after the election. He has repeated apologized. That's not a lie, that's a characterization of his interaction with other foreign leaders.
5. Catholic organizations, whether they be the church, a hospital, charity, or insurance provider all adhere to the tenets of the Catholic faith and to force them to provide birth control, abortifacients, or abortions is anathema to that faith and a violation of their first amendment rights.
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Biden can't even spin his lies.
There's no mention of death panels in the ACA. As far as the Independent Medicare Advisory Board:
Section 3404 (g) (1) (B)
QUALIFICATIONS.—
(i) IN GENERAL.—The appointed membership of the Board shall include individuals with national recognition for their expertise in health finance and economics, actuarial science, health facility management, health plans and integrated delivery systems, reimbursement of health facilities, allopathic and osteopathic physicians, and other providers of health services, and other related fields, who provide a mix of different professionals, broad geographic representation, and a balance between urban and rural representatives.
PussyEater and TB ignoring that corporate death panels already and truly due exist, have forevere. And as we saw in the suit in CA that got a fine of $200M, manangers have been incentivized by quota to deny care and cancel insurance policies to save money.
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