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    the minority have been given more than what they deserve imho. people speak for where his ass is at. your way too predictable, D

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    I think the difference about tonight will be that Democrats were willing to say Romney won the last debate. It would not change their vote but they were willing to give an honest answer. Tonight, the Republicans will not be willing to admit that Biden was better.
    Ryan got his ass, hypocrisy, and lies called out, so Repugs will LIE that it was a tie.

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    the minority have been given more than what they deserve imho. people speak for where his ass is at. your way too predictable, D
    Right. Libertarians want businesses to have the FREEDOM!, It's THEIR Business, to be able to exclude customers based on race, gender, religion, smell, tatoos, beards, sandals, any damn thing.

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    Ryan’s Distortion of America’s Founding


    Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign has been roundly criticized for being light on substance and long on fluff. But his running mate Paul Ryan is promoting a dangerous idea that refutes the historical foundations of democratic government. Practically ignored by the mainstream press, Ryan’s manifesto demands closer scrutiny.

    When Rep. Ryan accepted Mitt Romney’s invitation as running mate, the Wisconsin Republican uttered a simple, but profound, statement:

    Thomas Jefferson, chief author of the Declaration of Independence and third president of the United States.


    “But America is more than just a place. It’s an idea. It’s the only country founded upon an idea: Our rights come from Nature and God, not government. We promise equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. This idea is founded upon the principles of liberty, freedom, free enterprise, self-determination, and government by the consent of the governed. This idea is under assault.”

    “Our rights come from Nature and God, not government?” Let us hope this idea is under assault, because it is powerful, and it is dangerous.

    We know this idea is historically powerful because Americans once used it to overthrow the authority of the British Empire; we know it is imminently dangerous because contemporary American plutocrats are now using it to undermine our hard-won democracy.

    Ryan’s opinion that human rights are conferred by “Nature and God” is breathtakingly unoriginal. Witchdoctors and warlords have been inventing and re-inventing the idea of atavistic and supernatural rights since the first virgin was sacrificed on the bloodstained altar of some prehistoric bogeyman. But more recently, and more civilly, the concept was resurrected by English philosopher John Locke in the 17th Century.

    Locke, a philosophical shaman of the today’s Libertarian-Right set, hawked the idea that human rights were conferred by an imaginary “law of Nature,” which he said pre-existed and superseded any law made by actual lawmaking people. Think of Moses bringing the tablets down from the Mount – but without Moses, or the tablets, or a population that could read.

    http://consortiumnews.com/2012/10/06...icas-founding/

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    lol People thinking someone won


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    For undecideds Biden probably grabbed a draw, or maybe a narrow win, from the jaws of clear victory with his at ude. If you want to look above someone and be dismissive of them in that kind of situation you do what he did occasionally, not all the time. Otherwise you come off as kind of crazy and desperate. It was funny that Ryan called him on that. But if you go strictly on what was said then yes, Biden was more concrete than Ryan. Repubs should be happy there are only one of these.

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    the minority have been given more than what they deserve imho. people speak for where his ass is at. your way too predictable, D
    You miss the point. If the rule is only majority rule, the minority (not racial minority, come out of that shoebox) never get a say. There would be no laws in place to protect people against mob rule, since mob rule would be the detail of the day.

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    You miss the point. If the rule is only majority rule, the minority (not racial minority, come out of that shoebox) never get a say. There would be no laws in place to protect people against mob rule, since mob rule would be the detail of the day.
    Isn't that what the Cons ution is for?

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    If you have your own business, shouldn't you be allowed to run however the you want to run it? If it's private, shut the up. If it's public or government funded, then there's a difference.

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    (Reuters) - Vice President Joe Biden came out on top of Thursday night's vice presidential debate with Republican challenger Paul Ryan, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll.

    The energetic Biden claimed a seven-point victory - 42 percent to 35 percent - among registered voters, with a similar margin among independents. Nearly a quarter of registered voters and about a third of independents were unsure who did a better job during the debate at Centre College in Danville, Kentucky...

    Voters said Biden was more qualified to be president, as the vice president moved from 43 to 45 percent on that question over the course of the debate, and Ryan stayed at 35 percent. The Wisconsin congressman's presence on the Romney ticket may also cause trouble for the Republican Party: 27 percent of registered voters said Ryan made them less favorable toward Romney, up from 21 percent before the debate.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89B1AK20121013

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    Isn't that what the Cons ution is for?
    Without the USSC (an unelected judiciary) the Cons ution is just a meaningless do ent. The majority rule could just say free speech, we want this guy who wrote bad things about our god to die, or freedom of religion, we want that done away with. Majority rule would be the law of the land.

    This is, of course, taking the "elected by the people" concept to the extreme, but when you put the carrot of keeping a job out there for the elected to chase, they will and have done some uncons utional . The USSC isn't incorruptible, however the fact that they don't spend half their time campaigning and ass kissing big business to keep their jobs equates to at least some level of respect and authority.

    Not long ago a bill was introduced into the Senate to make burning of the US flag to be a crime. The USSC would strike that down in a heartbeat on the grounds of 1st Amendment rights. Without that, Congress could pass any wave of emotion bill into law and a campaigning president would sign it.

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    Without the USSC (an unelected judiciary) the Cons ution is just a meaningless do ent. The majority rule could just say free speech, we want this guy who wrote bad things about our god to die, or freedom of religion, we want that done away with. Majority rule would be the law of the land.
    Well, that's the sentiment I was expressing. The role of the Cons ution in general is to guarantee certain inviolable rights towards all, including minorities. I don't disagree with the SCOTUS wielding that power (it should be noted Congress also wields the power to reform the Cons ution in a case of extreme majority).

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    Well, that's the sentiment I was expressing. The role of the Cons ution in general is to guarantee certain inviolable rights towards all, including minorities. I don't disagree with the SCOTUS wielding that power (it should be noted Congress also wields the power to reform the Cons ution in a case of extreme majority).
    Which is why I disagreed with Ryan's comment about non-elected judges. There's a danger both ways, but at least there's some oversight to appointees while anyone can be elected in a purely majority rule society.

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    Which is why I disagreed with Ryan's comment about non-elected judges. There's a danger both ways, but at least there's some oversight to appointees while anyone can be elected in a purely majority rule society.
    I agree, not to mention that a person that's running for office in the executive power should show a modi of respect for the judicial and the cons utional separation of power, IMO.

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    Boutons =



    Just Shake him and he spits out the same old .
    he requires shaking?

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    my favorite exchange

    Ryan: you know what the unemployment is in Scranton today?
    Biden: sure do
    Ryan: it's 10%.
    Biden: yeah(as he shakes his head)
    Ryan: you know what it was when you guys came in?
    Biden: (mumbles "yeah", as he still shaking his head)
    Ryan: 8.5%
    Biden: yeah(as he still shakes his head)
    Ryan: that's how it's going all around in America
    Biden: (as he quickly stops shaking his head) you don't read the statistics. That's not how it's going. It's going down.

    are biden's ears that far from his mouth???? smh

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    my favorite exchange

    Ryan: you know what the unemployment is in Scranton today?
    Biden: sure do
    Ryan: it's 10%.
    Biden: yeah(as he shakes his head)
    Ryan: you know what it was when you guys came in?
    Biden: (mumbles "yeah", as he still shaking his head)
    Ryan: 8.5%
    Biden: yeah(as he still shakes his head)
    Ryan: that's how it's going all around in America
    Biden: (as he quickly stops shaking his head) you don't read the statistics. That's not how it's going. It's going down.

    are biden's ears that far from his mouth???? smh
    The 100% Ryan/Repug dishonesty is that the Repugs have done NOTHING for jobs since taking the House in 2010. They have gutted or blocked all kinds of stuff intended to stimulate jobs. And the worst-in-80-years Banksters Great Depression was fully cratering the economy before Barry was elected.

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