View Poll Results: who won the debate tonight?

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  • Vice President Biden

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  • Congressman Ryan

    9 18.75%
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    If that's the case, you'll have to discount Romney's first debate performance as well, which was characterized by similar condescension.
    Biden's condescension was on a whole other level. His laughing, smirking, and constant interrupting was unprofessional, disrespectful and childish. I don't think Ryan had a great debate, but Biden's act made it hard to pay attention to anything substantive.

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    Biden made it apparent that he had absolutely no respect for Ryan, and that he felt above the debate and the questioning. That really has nothing to do with his ability to step in should Obama meet an untimely demise, but it will turn off a lot of voters who aren't already straight ticket voters. Biden is an old crony that does not represent change, not at all. People who were getting paid by taxpayers back before Reagan was in office are not bringing change.

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    The cut and paste bot without a single, cogent original thought, calling anyone a faker.

    Yummy Vitamin I.
    So your little comments are all original? you never read anything? you always do original research with the sources? G M A F B

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    "well well well HE LIED LESS THOUGH!"


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    But I see at least El Nono has no list of Biden's lies. figures, you're a bunch of fakers.
    They're widely available if you care to look. You know, outside alternet.borg et all

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    They're widely available if you care to look. You know, outside alternet.borg et all
    Fox? WND? Daily Caller? Breitbart? "Christian" sites? give a hint. Don't be coy, Roy.

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    Biden made it apparent that he had absolutely no respect for Ryan, and that he felt above the debate and the questioning. That really has nothing to do with his ability to step in should Obama meet an untimely demise, but it will turn off a lot of voters who aren't already straight ticket voters. Biden is an old crony that does not represent change, not at all. People who were getting paid by taxpayers back before Reagan was in office are not bringing change.
    Ryan represents change? His voting record shows he's just another party line guy...

    With that I'm not excusing Biden, but let's stop pretending it's not the same sandwich in a different package.

    I also thought that's what Biden did right: being aggressive calling him out on his bull . ie: asking for stimulus money, voting for Medicare D+TARP+wars all on the national credit card.

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    Biden made it apparent that he had absolutely no respect for Ryan, and that he felt above the debate and the questioning. That really has nothing to do with his ability to step in should Obama meet an untimely demise, but it will turn off a lot of voters who aren't already straight ticket voters. Biden is an old crony that does not represent change, not at all. People who were getting paid by taxpayers back before Reagan was in office are not bringing change.
    And you think you have a hand on the pulse of the independent voter? As someone that has not voted for either party in the last two presidential elections, i will say that you do not speak for me.

    And at before Reagan. People that have been getting money from government en lements since Reagan's entering the age of supply side are the status quo. Anything from before that would be change. That was a successful era.

    I would do most anything to go back to the governance of Ike, JFK, LBJ, and even Nixon over the we have today. Nixon may have had his dirty tricks but he ran a tight ship. Since then the old guard southern evangelicals and plantation types have combined forces with the industrial elite to form GOPtron and the Democrats are a bunch of dumb s with no cohesive thought or policy between them

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    Fox? WND? Daily Caller? Breitbart? "Christian" sites? give a hint. Don't be coy, Roy.
    CBS news good enough for you?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_1...ential-debate/

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    So your little comments are all original? you never read anything? you always do original research with the sources? G M A F B
    I certainly dont source crap like alternet or thinkprogress. And yeah, my thoughts are largely my own. I understand if you cant relate.

    You're a ing joke.

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    , meet slap.

    Goal post move in 3....2....1....

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    ' o 911? There's an old man beating a child on my tv"

    -- Bill Maher

    http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/strategist/2012/10/maher_ o_911_theres_an_old.php

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    If you think Biden was a laughing jackass, then Ryan was a smirking bag.

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    And you think you have a hand on the pulse of the independent voter?
    The people who find his at ude distasteful are most likely not in his pocket already. Do you have a problem with that statement?
    As someone that has not voted for either party in the last two presidential elections, i will say that you do not speak for me.
    Did you notice I did not make an all encompassing statement when I said "a lot of voters who aren't already straight ticket voters"? Did you see me say "all independents" or "Fuzzy"? I don't recall saying it.
    And at before Reagan. People that have been getting money from government en lements since Reagan's entering the age of supply side are the status quo. Anything from before that would be change. That was a successful era.
    It's not change to have an elderly career politician in the WH. Clinton, the Bush family.. that's 20 years right there. New boss, same as the old boss, as Dems have discovered about Obama.
    I would do most anything to go back to the governance of Ike, JFK, LBJ, and even Nixon over the we have today. Nixon may have had his dirty tricks but he ran a tight ship. Since then the old guard southern evangelicals and plantation types have combined forces with the industrial elite to form GOPtron and the Democrats are a bunch of dumb s with no cohesive thought or policy between them
    We agree on something, although I am too young to remember much about Nixon or anything about Kennedy. I was referring to people who are still in office, who have been in DC in some capacity for 30 years. The McCain types. They know the ropes and have more skeletons and dirty secrets on people than anyone else, and they stick around and lust after power. There's no real change with any of these people because they have too many friends that would lose a few dollars if change occurred.

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    If that's the case, you'll have to discount Romney's first debate performance as well, which was characterized by similar condescension.
    Who believes this? You and who else?

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    Ryan represents change? His voting record shows he's just another party line guy...
    Not at all. He just wants in on the feast. Don't bifurcate my response.
    There will be no change as long as Americans are fat and our credit cards still work at the mall.
    With that I'm not excusing Biden, but let's stop pretending it's not the same sandwich in a different package.
    It is, but Obama was relatively unknown, never really did anything so his promise of change was more believable to some than Joe Biden promising change. If Obama was serious, he should have a running mate who's not a main stream career politician. There are a group of about 30 people who can even possibly get a nomination. Of those, only about 8 would ever get the party nomination including both major parties. That's not much "change" to choose from, it's just the vultures waiting their turns at the cookie jar.
    I also thought that's what Biden did right: being aggressive calling him out on his bull . ie: asking for stimulus money, voting for Medicare D+TARP+wars all on the national credit card.
    If you're right you should be able to present facts not just call someone "full of malarkey". It doesn't take much to show Ryan is full of , but Biden let him off the hook on too many things. I wish they would stop trying for the next "we need some nasty" type of phrase and just be forthright but then it wouldn't be politics any longer.

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    Who believes this? You and who else?
    Pretty much anyone who watched w/ some degree of attention.

    The reason Joe chose to enact the strategy in the VP debate is because it was the logical counter Romney's performance in the previous debate. Level the playing field, etc.

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    Pretty much anyone who watched w/ some degree of attention.

    The reason Joe chose to enact the strategy in the VP debate is because it was the logical counter Romney's performance in the previous debate. Level the playing field, etc.
    Sure, Joe wasn't operating in a vacuum. He also knew that Ryan and Gecko are full-of- liars and hypocrites. Joe exposed Ryan's bull before the nation. My guess Barry will do the same to Romney. These Kings of Lies and Bull will be shown, again, to have no clothes.

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    If you think Biden was a laughing jackass, then Ryan was a smirking bag.
    Ryan may have the personality of a wet napkin and be too rehearsed with his talking points, but I don't think I saw a single smirk from him. And Buden wasn't just a laughing jackass...he was smirking, scoffing, mouthing, interrupting, and so on. Seriously, calling his debate performance "over the top" would be selling it short.

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    Biden was just butt hurt that he has been a part of Bush's 3rd term.

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    Do you know? I don't know why'd you believe Ryan's claim over Biden's. Ryan made the claim, does he have any proof? As you said above, given the state of the intelligence community, you don't think ANYONE has a clear picture of exactly where Iran is in the process of acquiring nuclear weapons. Yet, Ryan specified they have enough material to build 5 bombs, which seems rather "clear". How do you reconcile these two thoughts?
    Hey, I wonder why Yoni hasn't responded to this yet.

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    Ryan may have the personality of a wet napkin and be too rehearsed with his talking points, but I don't think I saw a single smirk from him. And Buden wasn't just a laughing jackass...he was smirking, scoffing, mouthing, interrupting, and so on. Seriously, calling his debate performance "over the top" would be selling it short.
    lol Biden called out Eddy Munster over his lies. He smiling, laughing is what controlled the debate.

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