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that unionized teachers fund mostly Dems is secondary for me, but it's PRIMARY for the VRWC/ALEC sociopaths intent on destroying public education while sucking taxpayer dollars into for-profit charter schools.
iow, GFY
Here's a Repug state allowing private, for-profit/ ty-product charter schools to meet state standards with lower results
Complaints follow charters' changed testing rules
Public school officials are criticizing state Education Secretary Ron Tomalis for changing the rules for testing student achievement in charter schools.
In a story published Friday, officials told The Morning Call in Allentown (http://bit.ly/Q1Px1O ) that the changes made it easier for the privately run, publicly funded charter schools to meet state benchmarks for academic progress under the federal No Child Left Behind law.
They also criticized Tomalis for making the change for the 2011-12 school year without getting required federal approval.
Education Department spokesman Tim Eller says the new rules treat charter schools like school districts for the purpose of judging their performance, because both serve multiple-grade populations.
Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/art...#ixzz29BdICL8P
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that unionized teachers fund mostly Dems is secondary for me, but it's PRIMARY for the VRWC/ALEC sociopaths intent on destroying public education while sucking taxpayer dollars into for-profit charter schools.
iow, GFY
The only real answer that will never happen. Better though is to cut off social funding for dysfunctional people and let them die on their own. If you want to be a lazy stick, go for it. You have the right to die of starvation or be shot for being an idiot. Stop coddling the lazy. This means ins ute a set of standards, meet them or you're on your own, no school for you. There's a shovel go dig that ditch.
Does anyone think that the fact that most unionized workers vote democrat by a large margin gives cause that government employees should not be able to form unions?
What's the rationale behind that? Do you think if they don't form unions, they won't vote democrat?
You ever see the pressure union members exert on each other? You ever read union newsletters? As a collective, the unions do their best to get their membership to vote democrat. That is because it is the democrats who give in to union desires. More money, more tome off, more everything... Try being a conservative as a union member and see if there isn't a single person who tries to get you fired. Conservatives/republicans seldom say anything about their views with other union members. It is dangerous. There is enough pressure, that it probably sways a pretty good percentage.
So you think if they don't unionize they won't vote democrat?
No, I just think the pressure would be off, and a balance would be restored. unions are also a reason some of us don't seek certain jobs. I would never be able to quantify a number, but I'll bet less conservative minded people do jobs like teaching because they don't want to be part of a union.
I think what upsets me more than the power the union has over the tax payers, is the power that teachers... who are more liberal than conservative... have power over our children's social upbringing.
What is this 'balance'? You're not really making much sense, IMO.
As far as teaching, I'm grateful to anything that prevents a dumb like you from ruining kid's lives, tbh.
You just don't know how to have a civil conversation. Do you?
Well, I don't like having dum s like you teaching kids either.
Believe it or not, some math and science teachers would probably make more money in an all charter school system but overall, better charter schools would suck up all the better teachers and the majority of everyone else would suck...
Sure I do. I have civil conversations with a lot of posters here all the time. I choose not to have them with you.
I'm not in the teaching business. You have nothing to be concerned about.
That said, when people and moan about thosemeanie liberal teachers
Really?That said, when people and moan about those
Is that your informed opinion?
How many children do you have in the US public school system?
Yeah...
Ergo since most in the military vote Republican the military should not be allowed to vote since they are voting for their own welfare.
Does the military have a union type group they pay to change their working conditions, that contributes to the political process, and sends them newsletters telling them who the best candidate is?
It doesn't matter. You cannot tell people they cannot unionize. So big business can pay lobbyists to change their working conditions but individuals cannot have collective strength if they are federally employed? There's no "union" box on the ballot, so each person can still vote their own choice and being in a union doesn't equate to more votes.
With all the bailouts, many auto and bank employees are technically federal employees, and don't you believe that they get told who to vote for in order to keep their benefits and union bargaining power?
Should there be no black federal workers since blacks mostly vote Democrat and the president himself is black?
I don't get your point.
Is that what you tell yourself when your coworkers want you fired? That it's because you are a conservative?
I'm not even sure how to explain it to you. Consider this though.
1) Anyone in a public social assistance type job should be doing their best to put themselves out of work.
2) Teaching should be a calling to want to help children. Not hold them as innocent hostages.
If we get back to the idea of the OP, it has nothing to do with pay, but with at udes. We allow kids to disrupt class in ways that was never allowed in the past. Discipline effectively doesn't exist any more because someone would yell child abuse. The liberal feel good idea that we cannot fail kids any more, no more "flunking" because it harms kids self esteem is unreasonable. Shame works, and is one of the best motivators around.
We need to go back to the tried and true methods of past teaching, instead of throwing more money at it.
I learned long ago to be rather passive about my views at work. it isn't an issue, but I have seen things. Liberals can be so evil.
You didn't answer the question.
You had a question?
I must have been passively ignoring you.
Sorry.
Not in SA. Most of the charter schools pay peanuts, and get (transient) monkeys making less than the median salary.
"Teaching should be a calling to want to help children."
so they should work for free, sacrifice their quality of life because you hate everything govt (except the bloated, corrupt, can't-beat-gooks, can't-beat-ragheads military?)
teach for next to nothing?
for a non-living wage simply because you hate that they get paid with taxes?
If you understood anything about contemporary education, you would kow that the notion we cannot fail kids (and related talking point nonsense) is not a liberal agenda. But you don't know what you don't know.
Ignorance is excusable. That you continue to double down on ignorance ranks you with boutons.
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