Page 12 of 20 FirstFirst ... 28910111213141516 ... LastLast
Results 276 to 300 of 477
  1. #276
    Veteran
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Post Count
    97,536
    If you understood anything about contemporary education, you would kow that the notion we cannot fail kids (and related talking point nonsense) is not a liberal agenda. But you don't know what you don't know.
    Ignorance is excusable. That you continue to double down on ignorance ranks you with boutons.
    The Repug/ALEC/conservative agenda is to extract taxpayers dollars from public education funds into for-profit charter schools, NOT "save" the kids' education. Your willful ignorance as a blatant as the ALEC agenda.

  2. #277
    Veteran
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Post Count
    97,536
    Education Profiteering: Wall Street's Next Big Thing?

    It is well known, although rarely acknowledged in the press, that the reform movement has been financed and led by the corporate class. For over twenty years large business oriented foundations, such as Gates (Microsoft), Walton (Wal-Mart) and Broad (Sun Life) have poured billions into charter school start-ups, sympathetic academics and pundits, media campaigns (including Hollywood movies) and sophisticated nurturing of the careers of privatization promoters who now dominate the education policy debate from local school boards to the US Department of Education.


    In recent years, hedge fund operators, leverage-buy-out artists and investment bankers have joined the crusade. They finance schools, sit on the boards of their associations and the management companies that run them, and -- most important -- have made support of charter schools one of the criteria for campaign giving in the post-Citizens United era. Since most Republicans are already on board for privatization, the political pressure has been mostly directed at Democrats.

    Thus, for example, when Andrew Cuomo wanted to get the support of hedge fund managers for his run for governor of New York, he was told to talk to Joe Williams, director of Democrats for Education Reform, a group set up to lobby liberals on privatization.

    Cuomo is now a champion of charter schools. As Joanne Barkan noted in a Dissent Magazine report, privatizers are even targeting school board elections, in one case spending over $630,000 to elect two members in a local school board race last year in Colorado.

    Wall Street's involvement in the charter school movement -- when the media acknowledges it -- is presented as an act of philanthropy. Perhaps, as critics claim, hedge funders are meddling in an area they know nothing about. But their motives are worthy. Indeed, since they send their own children to the best private schools, their concern for other people's children seems remarkably altruistic. "Wall Street has always put its money where its interests of beliefs lie," observed this New York Times article , "But
    it is far less common that so many financial heavyweights would adopt a social cause like charter schools and advance it with a laser like focus in the political realm."

    Yet, with the wide variety of social causes and charitable needs -- poverty, health, housing, global warming, the arts, etc. -- why would so many Wall Streeters focus laser-like on this particular issue? The Times suggest two answers. One is that the money managers are hard-nosed, data-driven investors "drawn to the business-like way in which many charter schools are run; their focus on results primarily measured by test scores."




    http://www.alternet.org/education/ed...next-big-thing

  3. #278
    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Post Count
    13,321
    The Repug/ALEC/conservative agenda is to extract taxpayers dollars from public education funds into for-profit charter schools, NOT "save" the kids' education. Your willful ignorance as a blatant as the ALEC agenda.
    How much time have you spent as an educator?

    How much time have I spent as an educator?

    Which is most likely to be the most ignorant?

    NCLB, moron.
    Fill in the blanks, bot.

  4. #279
    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Post Count
    13,321
    lol alternet.

    Those s know about as much about education as you, which is to say, nothing.

  5. #280
    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Post Count
    13,321
    Not in SA. Most of the charter schools pay peanuts, and get (transient) monkeys making less than the median salary.
    btw, do you have even a single clue how the "transient monkey" transience is measured?

    Can you contrast it to how transience is measured in public education?

    Of course not. You're an idiot.

  6. #281
    Scrumtrulescent
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Post Count
    9,724
    that unionized teachers fund mostly Dems is secondary for me, but it's PRIMARY for the VRWC/ALEC sociopaths intent on destroying public education while sucking taxpayer dollars into for-profit charter schools.

    iow, GFY
    We get it boutons. As far as you're concerned, blue team / red team scorecard = important, actually improving the quality of education kids are getting = not important.

  7. #282
    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Post Count
    51,121
    We get it boutons. As far as you're concerned, blue team / red team scorecard = important, actually improving the quality of education kids are getting = not important.
    Well, it becomes important when you get a huge philosophical swing that pushes things in a specific direction. I have not been impressed by privatized prisons, privatized mental health facilities, or a host of other instances where government has been outsourced to the for-profit sector. A lot of libertarians like horror stories about government inefficiency, but then play 3 monkeys when it comes to the horror stories from these privatization efforts.

    You can't say it doesn't matter, because the two parties have wildly different solutions based on their inherent philosophies.

  8. #283
    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Post Count
    51,121
    That said, I am all for what works.

    If privatizing schools is the way to go, then do do it.

    I think though, we have learned a LOT about how to improve education in this country, and are close to really getting things right. That is just my sense of things, though. I would be hard pressed to really flesh that out.

    Maybe someone could do a bit of digging and put together some links?

  9. #284
    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Post Count
    13,321
    Privatized prisons <> privatized schools.

  10. #285
    Scrumtrulescent
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Post Count
    9,724
    Well, it becomes important when you get a huge philosophical swing that pushes things in a specific direction. I have not been impressed by privatized prisons, privatized mental health facilities, or a host of other instances where government has been outsourced to the for-profit sector. A lot of libertarians like horror stories about government inefficiency, but then play 3 monkeys when it comes to the horror stories from these privatization efforts.

    You can't say it doesn't matter, because the two parties have wildly different solutions based on their inherent philosophies.


    That said, I am all for what works.

    If privatizing schools is the way to go, then do do it.

    I think though, we have learned a LOT about how to improve education in this country, and are close to really getting things right. That is just my sense of things, though. I would be hard pressed to really flesh that out.

    Maybe someone could do a bit of digging and put together some links?
    Your second post pretty much captures how I was going to respond to your first one. I don't care about parties, profits, unions or philosophies. Whatever works.

  11. #286
    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Post Count
    13,321
    That said, I am all for what works.

    If privatizing schools is the way to go, then do do it.

    I think though, we have learned a LOT about how to improve education in this country, and are close to really getting things right. That is just my sense of things, though. I would be hard pressed to really flesh that out.

    Maybe someone could do a bit of digging and put together some links?
    I think there are + - for either approach. A successful educational strategy will likely cherry pick from both, imo.

  12. #287
    Scrumtrulescent
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Post Count
    9,724
    I think there are + - for either approach. A successful educational strategy will likely cherry pick from both, imo.
    I'm for some kind of a tiered voucher program with adjustments based on income and quality of the public school the kid would go to. Poor kid gets a bigger voucher than rich kid, kid going to a crappy public school gets a bigger voucher than a kid going to a highly rated public school.

  13. #288
    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Post Count
    13,321
    I'm for some kind of a tiered voucher program with adjustments based on income and quality of the public school the kid would go to. Poor kid gets a bigger voucher than rich kid, kid going to a crappy public school gets a bigger voucher than a kid going to a highly rated public school.
    The devil is in the details re: quality school metrics. That's got to be solved first. The process of solving this will also answer many questions regarding educational methodologies in both models.

  14. #289
    Veteran
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Post Count
    97,536
    We get it boutons. As far as you're concerned, blue team / red team scorecard = important, actually improving the quality of education kids are getting = not important.
    You get nothing, CG. the only score I'm concerned with is to make sure the sociopathic 1%-promoting RED TEAM loses.

    There are 1000s of excellent public schools in USA, which have been responsible for decades for educating SUCCESSFULLY, even educating conservatives/Repugs/1%ers. The ALEC/VRWC broadside attack on all public schools and public school teachers is BEYOND SUSPECT, exactly like their attack on ALL governemnt. It's ing evil, pure BAD FAITH, because educating kids is not their objective, it's extracting taxpayer dollars into corporations, AND trying indoctrinate kids into conservative/"Christian" orthodoxy.
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 10-15-2012 at 11:11 AM.

  15. #290
    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Post Count
    13,321
    We get it boutons. As far as you're concerned, blue team / red team scorecard = important, actually improving the quality of education kids are getting = not important.
    You get nothing, CG. the only score I'm concerned with is to make sure the sociopathic 1%-promoting RED TEAM loses.
    No, looks like CG was right on.

  16. #291
    Scrumtrulescent
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Post Count
    9,724
    The devil is in the details re: quality school metrics. That's got to be solved first. The process of solving this will also answer many questions regarding educational methodologies in both models.
    True.

    I get the teaching-to-the-test concerns about using standardized testing as the measure of school performance, but I don't see a way around using them. Too many schools, too many kids to do something more subjective that could be tailored to individual students.

  17. #292
    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Post Count
    13,321
    True.

    I get the teaching-to-the-test concerns about using standardized testing as the measure of school performance, but I don't see a way around using them. Too many schools, too many kids to do something more subjective that could be tailored to individual students.
    This is an area where a charter school model can be illustrative. Charter schools, esp those that are concentrated in a particular subject area ala' magnet schools (which is also a pretty solid idea) can customize the testing methodology to fit their student base. IOW, more geneous population = easier measurements.
    Last edited by TeyshaBlue; 10-15-2012 at 11:12 AM. Reason: lol...less homologus. Im a Monday idiot.

  18. #293
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Post Count
    153,473
    I'm not even sure how to explain it to you. Consider this though.

    1) Anyone in a public social assistance type job should be doing their best to put themselves out of work.

    2) Teaching should be a calling to want to help children. Not hold them as innocent hostages.

    If we get back to the idea of the OP, it has nothing to do with pay, but with at udes. We allow kids to disrupt class in ways that was never allowed in the past. Discipline effectively doesn't exist any more because someone would yell child abuse. The liberal feel good idea that we cannot fail kids any more, no more "flunking" because it harms kids self esteem is unreasonable. Shame works, and is one of the best motivators around.

    We need to go back to the tried and true methods of past teaching, instead of throwing more money at it.
    You're the epitome of what's wrong with "tried and true methods of past teaching"

  19. #294
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Post Count
    153,473
    The devil is in the details re: quality school metrics. That's got to be solved first. The process of solving this will also answer many questions regarding educational methodologies in both models.
    Spanking kids with a ruler was a quality school metric. /WC

  20. #295
    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Post Count
    13,321
    Spanking kids with a ruler was a quality school metric. /WC
    They didn't have metric rulers back in the day.

  21. #296
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Post Count
    153,473
    They didn't have metric rulers back in the day.
    And you wonder why public education was ed up!

  22. #297
    Veteran
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Post Count
    97,536
    No, looks like CG was right on.
    TB's eloquence:

    TB:

  23. #298
    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Post Count
    13,321
    I got slappled again!

  24. #299
    The D.R.A. Drachen's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Post Count
    11,214
    Speaking of rulers and education: So my cousin is a medical assistant for a Dr.'s office. She just told me that they are going to hire another one pretty soon and she hates that because she is going to have to train them and it always lowers her hope for humanity. She told us about how she has to teach girls how to measure kids ("have them stand here put the stick on top of their head and read the measurement that it points at"). She said that a girl will do that and say "ok, 64 inches" and my cousin will reply " no that is 64 and 3/4" the girl will reply "3/4? how do you know that?". She has also changed the way that she teaches them to take vitals. She used to say "ok, listen to the heartbeats/number of breaths for 15 seconds and then multiply that by four". That never worked. Now she has to sit there for 2 minutes while they take the vitals (1 minute for respirations/minute and 1 minute for bpm).

  25. #300
    Veteran
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Post Count
    97,536
    "medical assistant"

    what does it pay? $10/hour?

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •