Fracking

[cantthinkofanything]

Are Fracking Wastewater Wells Poisoning the Ground beneath Our Feet?

Over the past several decades, U.S. industries have injected more than 30 trillion gallons of toxic liquid deep into the earth, using broad expanses of the nation's geology as an invisible dumping ground.

No company would be allowed to pour such dangerous chemicals into the rivers or onto the soil. But until recently, scientists and environmental officials have assumed that deep layers of rock beneath the earth would safely entomb the waste for millennia.

There are growing signs they were mistaken.

Records from disparate corners of the United States show that wells drilled to bury this waste deep beneath the ground have repeatedly leaked, sending dangerous chemicals and waste gurgling to the surface or, on occasion, seeping into shallow aquifers that store a significant portion of the nation's drinking water.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...eath-our-feeth

You should just quit driving or using any kind of hydrocarbon based energy since you're so bent out of shape over it. How can you live with yourself knowing you're lining the pockets of the corrupt VRWC.

[boutons_deux]

You should just quit driving or using any kind of hydrocarbon based energy since you're so bent out of shape over it. How can you live with yourself knowing you're lining the pockets of the corrupt VRWC.

looks like you think you and people you value will escape the health and financial costs of fracking.

[TeyshaBlue]

This isn't who's got a larger contest. Are you that kid in school that had to bring the largest marble or the newest yo-yo to feel better about yourself maybe fill that huge void of acceptance you lack that your step dad neglected to do when he was to busy tea bagging your sister he met at the local truck stop one night when he was asking customers for change to buy a colt 45, are you refereeing to him?


Sorry to disappoint you but that guy in the next room of that flimsy single wide trailer your aunt/mom scammed from FEMA during Katrina is not him. So once the wall stops shaking from the headboard in the next room re tape the David Robinson poster back up and hang your diplomas and think how useless they are when your back at Cosco Monday.


Is that where you want to go next resume wars? hey what ever gives you a semi.

You want to toot your horn go right ahead I rather my postings on this subject and your lack of intelligent come backs speak for themselves.


back on topic the Fracking supporters better do some homework before they come in here talking .

You havent posted one, single, salient fact concerning fracking yet. :facepalm

[TeyshaBlue]

Are Fracking Wastewater Wells Poisoning the Ground beneath Our Feet?

Over the past several decades, U.S. industries have injected more than 30 trillion gallons of toxic liquid deep into the earth, using broad expanses of the nation's geology as an invisible dumping ground.

No company would be allowed to pour such dangerous chemicals into the rivers or onto the soil. But until recently, scientists and environmental officials have assumed that deep layers of rock beneath the earth would safely entomb the waste for millennia.

There are growing signs they were mistaken.

Records from disparate corners of the United States show that wells drilled to bury this waste deep beneath the ground have repeatedly leaked, sending dangerous chemicals and waste gurgling to the surface or, on occasion, seeping into shallow aquifers that store a significant portion of the nation's drinking water.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...eath-our-feeth

You realize that fracking disposal is a small subset of these wells, right? I understand you want to conflate all industrial injection sites with fracking to bolster a case you simply do not have the data to make. lol

From the author: As the author of this article, I just want to clarify: Nowhere does this article discuss fracking wells or say that there are 680,000 fracked wells (there are actually many more) but if you read what I have published today it is about a different topic really -- waste across all industries that is handled under a separate, federally regulated program. Geologists are concerned that the fractures underground are increasing permeability for all underground fluids.

That being said, we need to do a much better job with the data we have to model what's going on underground with these sites.

[boutons_deux]

"Geologists are concerned that the fractures underground are increasing permeability for all underground fluids."

Fracking wells and fracking wastewater wells are just more insults to the earth and potential disasters that Human-Americans will pay for in health and taxes long after the culprits escape with their profits, just like the SuperFund sites (cleanup of which the Repugs want to defund).

[Halberto]

This isn't who's got a larger contest. Are you that kid in school that had to bring the largest marble or the newest yo-yo to feel better about yourself maybe fill that huge void of acceptance you lack that your step dad neglected to do when he was to busy tea bagging your sister he met at the local truck stop one night when he was asking customers for change to buy a colt 45, are you refereeing to him?


Sorry to disappoint you but that guy in the next room of that flimsy single wide trailer your aunt/mom scammed from FEMA during Katrina is not him. So once the wall stops shaking from the headboard in the next room re tape the David Robinson poster back up and hang your diplomas and think how useless they are when your back at Cosco Monday.


Is that where you want to go next resume wars? hey what ever gives you a semi.

You want to toot your horn go right ahead I rather my postings on this subject and your lack of intelligent come backs speak for themselves.


back on topic the Fracking supporters better do some homework before they come in here talking .

Wow. I'm in shock. You're not a troll, you really are re ed and clearly butthurt.

I'm not "tooting my horn", I'm simply showing my 5 years of education in Geological sciences as opposed to your 30 minutes of browsing the web for biased articles. Geological degree from UT Austin >>> a few hours of reading articles. Not only do I understand Geology way more than you, but I understand the drilling and extraction side of the oil industry as well. You point at any machine on a drill site and I can tell you what it does. I simply know a lot more than you and boutons.

Also, what's up with these weird ass insults?

[mouse]

Wow. I'm in shock. You're not a troll, you really are re ed and clearly butthurt.

I'm not "tooting my horn", I'm simply showing my 5 years of education in Geological sciences as opposed to your 30 minutes of browsing the web for biased articles. Geological degree from UT Austin >>> a few hours of reading articles. Not only do I understand Geology way more than you, but I understand the drilling and extraction side of the oil industry as well. You point at any machine on a drill site and I can tell you what it does. I simply know a lot more than you and boutons.

Also, what's up with these weird ass insults?

I knew you would get it!

[boutons_deux]

Pennsylvania Fracking Law Opens Up Drilling on College Campuses



For a system starved by budget cuts, it's an appetizing deal: The Indigenous Mineral Resources Development Act mandates that 50 percent of all fees and royalties from the mineral leases will be retained by the university where those minerals are mined, 35 percent will be distributed across the state system, and another 15 percent will go towards subsidizing student tuition.

Of course, those benefits don't take into account externalized costs.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...llege-campuses

Banksters Great Depression craters tax revenues, cut the budgets, then let the mega-oilcos up the country.

aka, disaster capitalism.

Human-Americans, always for sale and willing to sell out, being sold down the river of no return.

[cantthinkofanything]

Human-Americans, always for sale and willing to sell out, being sold down the river of no return.

Meh. People will evolve to the point where the body will actually use these frac'ing chemicals to become stronger. You're so ing shortsighted.

[boutons_deux]

Meh. People will evolve to the point where the body will actually use these frac'ing chemicals to become stronger. You're so ing shortsighted.

yep, many 1000s of years, IF the witch's brew of chemicals were stable, but BigChem keeps inventing new toxic .

[MannyIsGod]

Its not my personal field of study but personally I've not seen proof that fracking is very dangerous. I have not really looked into it very much, though. I'll talk to the hydrogeologist I work for to see what his opinion is, though. He's worked for oil companies in the past but I'm not sure if he has experience with fracking.

[boutons_deux]

"He's worked for oil companies"

Assume he's compromised, like TB

BigOil has been working very hard to suppress, defund any studies of fracking.

The Big GiveAway was when head/Repugs exempted fracking industry from the EPA/Clean Water Act. Now, why would they do that?

[cantthinkofanything]

Its not my personal field of study but personally I've not seen proof that fracking is very dangerous. I have not really looked into it very much, though. I'll talk to the hydrogeologist I work for to see what his opinion is, though. He's worked for oil companies in the past but I'm not sure if he has experience with fracking.

I generally agree. In any event, it's fairly insignificant when compared to 1) the relatively small number of people affected and 2) how much other people are exposed to (and in many cases willingly).

[TeyshaBlue]

"He's worked for oil companies"

Assume he's compromised, like TB

BigOil has been working very hard to suppress, defund any studies of fracking.

The Big GiveAway was when head/Repugs exempted fracking industry from the EPA/Clean Water Act. Now, why would they do that?

lol @ compromised. Educated, perhaps.

And you repeat the lie that fracking was exempted from the CWA. lol boutons.

[MannyIsGod]

"He's worked for oil companies"

Assume he's compromised, like TB

BigOil has been working very hard to suppress, defund any studies of fracking.

The Big GiveAway was when head/Repugs exempted fracking industry from the EPA/Clean Water Act. Now, why would they do that?

What a stupid comment. He's very levelheaded and generally undrestand's the sciences involved with ground water as well as anyone can (not very - ground water hydrology is not a very well versed field). To dismiss out of hand the opinion of someone who's been involved in oil exploration (he worked to model possible contamination scenarios and specifically learned more about hydrology because he didn't believe what his employers were saying) because you fear he's "contaminated" is some flat out idiocy.

I pretty damn sure if he said that fracking was bad you'd be all over it in support.

[MannyIsGod]

I generally agree. In any event, it's fairly insignificant when compared to 1) the relatively small number of people affected and 2) how much other people are exposed to (and in many cases willingly).

Well I'm not in support of ing up aquifers at all so I hope its clean but generally the little research I've seen shows that there is a lot of knee jerk reaction against fracking. I compare it to how people hate GMO's without understanding that they may not all be bad for you at all.

[ChumpDumper]

As long as the chemicals used in the process are secret, su ions about the safety of fracking are completely legitimate.

[boutons_deux]

What a stupid comment. He's very levelheaded and generally undrestand's the sciences involved with ground water as well as anyone can (not very - ground water hydrology is not a very well versed field). To dismiss out of hand the opinion of someone who's been involved in oil exploration (he worked to model possible contamination scenarios and specifically learned more about hydrology because he didn't believe what his employers were saying) because you fear he's "contaminated" is some flat out idiocy.

I pretty damn sure if he said that fracking was bad you'd be all over it in support.

IIRC, TB said he used to work in the fracking business, and said it was without damage to aquifers, the waste water was fine and disponsed of in perfect harmlessness, absolutely no problem, not even any risk, anywhere with fracking.

[TeyshaBlue]

IIRC, TB said he used to work in the fracking business, and said it was without damage to aquifers, the waste water was fine and disponsed of in perfect harmlessness, absolutely no problem, not even any risk, anywhere with fracking.

You're an idiot who uses gross oversimplifications to hide your complete ignorance on a subject. You can't even accurately repeat what I said. ing coward.

[TeyshaBlue]

Here's your real words.

"The fracking land leasing companies have clauses in their contracts with landowners that cancel all lease payments if the landowner goes public with pollution or other whines."

They dont. slapped.

"google "fracking leases gag clauses", even doctors are being gagged."

They aren't. slapped.

"Prove leases that penalizes landowners who file complaints, talk DON'T EXIST"

Stupid goal post move. Self- slapped.

[RandomGuy]

Symptoms are year round for us, I never used to get headaches in my life until 2 years ago. That strong sewage smell HAD to be the fracking. I never thought of it until I read the article but that distinctive smell popped right into my head as I was reading. I remember calling my parents and asking them if they could smell anything that I thought one of the rigs were leaking. I didn't know what fracking was back then. PS I have a bad headache right now, per the usual.

Sewage smell is methane.

http://www.4radon.com/camocugasde.html

Multigas detector is about $60 with shipping, handling.

People are worried about the chemical slurry, but it appears the real problem is methane seeping up through the cracks.

Dunno if anyone has suggested this yet.

[RandomGuy]

the fracking hysteria continues... Why aren't the employees of these fracking companies getting sick from the "fumes"? I guess everyone near these fracksites should be 100% healthy all the time.

Because, in horizontal drilling, the well head is not over the place you are cracking the rock, goober. Look at any good diagram of this, and you can easily see why.

[TeyshaBlue]

Because, in horizontal drilling, the well head is not over the place you are cracking the rock, goober. Look at any good diagram of this, and you can easily see why.

There's alot of legislative activity in the horizontal drilling arena right now. However, just because you are running a horizontal bore, doesn't necessarily mean you have fracking concerns that are somehow greater than a vertical bore.

[TeyshaBlue]

There's alot of legislative activity in the horizontal drilling arena right now. However, just because you are running a horizontal bore, doesn't necessarily mean you have fracking concerns that are somehow greater than a vertical bore.

The potential for problems may be larger simply because your bore-length is much longer than a vertical plot.

[RandomGuy]

There's alot of legislative activity in the horizontal drilling arena right now. However, just because you are running a horizontal bore, doesn't necessarily mean you have fracking concerns that are somehow greater than a vertical bore.

Well, the well head is not always over the place that is getting fracked.



The places where the seepage might be occurring are often many miles away from the wellhead.