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    Since World War Two, manufacturing jobs have grown under Democratic presidents and faced more challenges under Republicans, a new study reported on Monday.

    Democratic presidents presided over estimated employment rise of 7 million in the manufacturing sector over the course of seven administrations; In nine administrations, Republicans saw a fall of manufacturing jobs by an estimated 9 million.

    The Keystone Research Center broke down those numbers by region:

    Trends in four regions reflect long-term shifts of manufacturing away from the Northeast and the Midwest and towards the South and the West. Averaging results using the three estimation methods:

    - In the Northeast, about 4 million manufacturing jobs were lost in Republican administrations and nearly 900,000 gained in Democratic.
    - In the Midwest, about 3.2 million manufacturing jobs were lost in Republican administrations and about 2 million created in Democratic.
    - In the South, about 925,000 manufacturing jobs were lost in Republican administrations and about 2.1 million manufacturing jobs created in Democratic.
    - In the West, about 380,000 manufacturing jobs were lost in Republican administrations and about 1.55 million jobs created in Democratic.

    “These are big differences” said Dr. Colin Gordon, a senior research consultant on the report. “If the manufacturing jobs score under Republicans had matched that under Democrats, the U.S. would have roughly twice as many manufacturing jobs as it does today—the U.S. manufacturing jobs share today would be similar to Germany’s.” The study also found that specific states tended to perform better based on which party was in power at any given time. Iowa and Wisconsin, for example, broke just about even on the number of jobs created under either party.

    For his part, President Obama has helped to quell the loss in manufacturing jobs during his time in office. He’s created half a million manufacturing jobs, but hasn’t yet reached a net gain since manufacturing was hit hardest by the 2008 recession.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...obs-democrats/

    Repugs, Trusted on the Economy!

    and Trusted on NatSec (9/11) !

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    lol Keystone Research Center. And you call Cato hacks.

    Claiming Keystone Progress as some thoughtful, nonpartisan group is like claiming the Fox News is the champion of Fair and Balanced.

    Btw...where's the data?


    Oh, it's not there. Which is generally how KRC likes their studies.

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    show us YOUR team's numbers.

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    Btw...where's the data?
    FWIW, the data is here if you want to peruse it.

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    FWIW, the data is here if you want to peruse it.
    All I found were weighted figures with no legend.

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    show us YOUR team's numbers.
    It's a question nobody's asking, tbh. Singling out manufacturing jobs has a predetermined conclusion. It's a confirmation bias study that is intentionally opaque.

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    show us YOUR team's numbers.
    and lol @ team. Grow the up.

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    All I found were weighted figures with no legend.
    You didn't look much?

    Not saying the data is credible or not, but at least they explain methodology and give access to their data and algorithms...

    The actual raw data can be downloaded from these two links (which are in the article):
    http://public.tableausoftware.com/vi...State?:embed=y
    http://public.tableausoftware.com/vi...bsMap?:embed=y

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    and lol @ team. Grow the up.
    you hurt me! you really, really hurt me.

    and show us ANY numbers that refute the OP

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    You didn't look much?

    Not saying the data is credible or not, but at least they explain methodology and give access to their data and algorithms...

    The actual raw data can be downloaded from these two links (which are in the article):
    http://public.tableausoftware.com/vi...State?:embed=y
    http://public.tableausoftware.com/vi...bsMap?:embed=y
    That's not data. That's a chart summary. The raw data that makes up the charts is what I was looking for.

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    you hurt me! you really, really hurt me.

    and show us ANY numbers that refute the OP
    I can't refute what I can't see, idiot.

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    That's not data. That's a chart summary. The raw data that makes up the charts is what I was looking for.
    There's a "download" link at the bottom to download the actual worksheets. Might need an account on that service though.

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    Here are the data tables, weighted by reporting methodology.

    ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/time.series/sa

    It's about as transparent as concrete.

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    "From 1990 to current the BLS indentifies manufacturing employment based on the North American Industry Classification System (NAICS). Because what is considered manufacturing differs between the SIC and NAICS the two series are not directly comparable. At the aggregate level—manufacturing as a whole, the two series differ only slightly, and changes over time for years in which both series exist produce similar results for states and the nation."

    Guess I should just take their word for it, eh?

    Not likely.

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    hey, don't shoot the messenger... you were asking for the data they used...

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    hey, don't shoot the messenger... you were asking for the data they used...
    I'm installing that tableau platform.....

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    Hey, that tableau app is pretty cool. Its just a reporting engine tho. No data tables. When you download the files they just populate charts with no access to the underlying data.

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    I'm keeping that tool tho. Should come in handy.

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    Hey, that tableau app is pretty cool. Its just a reporting engine tho. No data tables. When you download the files they just populate charts with no access to the underlying data.
    Oh... I saw it said it had 3/4 worksheets on each download page.

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    Each worksheet is a chart template. No data.

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    Worthy find tho.

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    sorry, my bad... that tableau is win only, I'm on a mac

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    There certainly haven't been many presidential jobs created by Dems.

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