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    It means red/blue partisans can't see the sense of not being able to pick between the two main candidates. Inferentially, anyone who hasn't made his/her mind up must be an ignoramus.

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    Well, obviously you didn't read the article very well. But I am not surprised.

    "An update to an election forecasting model announced by two University of Colorado professors in August continues to project that Mitt Romney will win the 2012 presidential election.

    According to their updated analysis, Romney is projected to receive 330 of the total 538 Electoral College votes. President Barack Obama is expected to receive 208 votes -- down five votes from their initial prediction -- and short of the 270 needed to win."

    http://www.colorado.edu/news/release...win-university

    A link embedded within the article takes you to the above.

    Romney in a landslide.

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    This is where Candy Crowley really contaminated the debate. When Obama said that in the Rose Garden, he was speaking about 9/11.

    Candy admits that Romney was correct (post debate), but the damage had already been done.


    Where Obama scored there on that whole issue is not whether he called it "an act of terror" or not. It's where he looked directly at Romney and calling it offensive at the suggestion that any of the presidential team would politicize the issue.

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    I didn't click the embedded link, true.

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    dubious about a landslide either way. wishful thinking, tbh.

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    Where Obama scored there on that whole issue is not whether he called it "an act of terror" or not. It's where he looked directly at Romney and calling it offensive at the suggestion that any of the presidential team would politicize the issue.
    Yeah, the intentional misdirection by the White House for 10 days against overwhelming evidence to the contrary was pretty damn offensive. The fake outrage last night was pretty funny.

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    Where Obama scored there on that whole issue is not whether he called it "an act of terror" or not. It's where he looked directly at Romney and calling it offensive at the suggestion that any of the presidential team would politicize the issue.
    What is "it" in that statement. He was referring to 9/11.


    Or, is it a matter of interpretation? He said "we reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others" before saying anything about acts of terror.


    Full transcript.


    THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger.

    Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

    The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.

    Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.

    Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.

    It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.

    Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.

    Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

    As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

    No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

    But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

    We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

    Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America

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    so, what's your gloss of that, Darrin? use your own words if you can. you do have an interpretation, right?

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    if it's a matter of interpretation, please go ahead and tell us your interpretation.

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    Yeah, the intentional misdirection by the White House for 10 days against overwhelming evidence to the contrary was pretty damn offensive. The fake outrage last night was pretty funny.
    Your fake outrage is always funny, as is your flip-flopping on the importance of debates.

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    if it's a matter of interpretation, please go ahead and tell us your interpretation.
    Read my post. Clearly, I think he is referring to "acts of terror" as it relates to 9/11.

    The statement "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for." is just some boilerplate that he has probably said on numerous occasions.

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    Obama mentions the four dead Americans in the very next sentence. That's much closer in time than the passage you highlighted.

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    I like that no one gives a about BR's thread and just focuses on this one.

    Obama won and clearly gave his points across. He had better responses to the issues, especially issues dealing with women equality regarding to pay, libya, and immigration. Romney acts like a tired old who just whines a lot. However, this was not a knockout punch just yet. Obama needs to do marginally well in the next debate in order to gain a big lead.

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    If the goal was to sway undecided voters MSNBC focus group says Romney won...

    Last edited by CosmicCowboy; 10-17-2012 at 12:24 PM.

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    another loss for the voters. a so called town forum with pre-screened questions and no allowance for follow ups. another dog and pony show under the guise of community involvement.

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    I pwned Obama.

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    If the goal was to sway undecided voters MSNBC focus group says Romney won...

    LOL anybody who is undecided is a ing idiot at this point.

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    Anybody who's undecided certainly isn't giving a about the debates, tbh.... since no actual non-pandering questions are allowed, debates these days are basically fap sessions for Team Blue and Team Red homers, tbh.....

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    did anyone catch that the green party candidate and her VP candidate were arrested last night when trying to gain entrance into the debate ?

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    I thought Obama won. Not because of any content, but rather because he seemed to control the conversation. I found it amazing how few of the questions either of these clowns actually answered and was extremely impressed with just how far away they could change the subject on any given answer.

    I still stand by my previous opinion as well that regardless of how these debates turn out, regardless of how the polls now show, Obama wins this election by the usual narrow percentage that we are all accustomed to at this point.

    And once again, I will still be sad.....not Boutons sad, but sad nonetheless.

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    Anybody who's undecided certainly isn't giving a about the debates, tbh.... since no actual non-pandering questions are allowed, debates these days are basically fap sessions for Team Blue and Team Red homers, tbh.....
    Agreed.

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    I also thought it was a mistake to allow a woman to moderate. Women shouldn't even be allowed to vote much less serve as the "voice of reason" in a Presidential debate.

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    Or drive either, who the lets them drive?

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    Or drive either, who the lets them drive?
    Avante

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    and i love that crowley said she tried to get a question in about the environment but ran out of time (oddly enough CNN was running nothing but oil company adds -actually referred to as 'energy' companies)

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