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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Oh look he just compared the founding fathers to radical islam. Did liberal media teach you that the founding fathers were bad and that the government is God? Maybe what you were getting at in the OP is that a vote for Obama = a vote for big govt = a vote for God.

    Who said they were bad? Although, being that there were at least a few people who supported staying with England maybe there was some animosity at the founding fathers....maybe a little...

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    So you dislike Obama because your misinformed......how is that any different than Hagee associating a vote for Romney as a vote for God?
    ^ why is it so easy for Mavs>Spurs to get owned....man I need to get in on tha action

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    With 40 billion out of thin air going to the banks in exchange for the lein on your house that may not last very long tbh.
    I like low growth and inflation.....give me 2% every year....

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    Oh look he just compared the founding fathers to radical islam. Did liberal media teach you that the founding fathers were bad and that the government is God? Maybe what you were getting at in the OP is that a vote for Obama = a vote for big govt = a vote for God. See I can string together too. Slime.
    If I were you I'd stop while behind only 100 pts..This Nbadan guy is killing you softly...

    carry on I love seeing this...you don't have a clue and yet you persist...

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    I'm not arguing with the sexual laker fan troll of a spur fan. Homeland Security is a way better troll than this one tbh.

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    I like low growth and inflation.....give me 2% every year....
    Hey you may not know this about the moron (Mavs>Spurs) you're arguing with but he just got a job last month...and he's earning as a community college grad about 35k/ yr...he's like Joe the Plumber...making 40k/yr with fanciful dreams he'll hit the 250k mark someday

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    So you liked Gaddafi?
    Gaddafi was a secular leader who kept terrorism out of Libya and made Libya more modern than it ever was/would have been. I'll take Gadaffi's secular dictatorship over a country run by radical clerics.

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    Geez, m>s with the full barrage of Alex Jones throwaway lines with some good ol' racism thrown in.

    lol completely missing the point that radical Islam rose in no small part due to secular dictators.

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    Any belief system that invokes a sense in the numinous and specifies a lifestyle that reflects that sense is no different than any other. Sane adults who profess a belief in the supernatural have no business being in charge of nation. People want to issue a pass to Christianity and it's bas izations with the excuse that it's a passive belief, that followers won't act on those beliefs in times of crisis. So in essence what is being said is those who are being chosen to lead don't have courage of their convictions and that they are prone to say things for effect and will never actually do what their professed belief indicates they should.

    Then we about liars in politics.

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    Hey you may not know this about the moron (Mavs>Spurs) you're arguing with but he just got a job last month...and he's earning as a community college grad about 35k/ yr...he's like Joe the Plumber...making 40k/yr with fanciful dreams he'll hit the 250k mark someday
    ES is back in the political forum. The prodigal son has returned.

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    .That marquee standing outside a non-denominational church has become the talk of the town in Leakey — about 90 miles northwest of San Antonio.

    The Church in the Valley is run by Pastor Ray Miller. Miller declined an interview but did say the sign was solely his idea. He said he changes the sign weekly and this isn't the first bold statement to be displayed.

    The pastor said he feels strongly about the upcoming presidential election and feels the message on the marquee speaks for itself.

    Since it is a church, it is classified as a non-profit organization. That means, by law, it can not endorse a political candidate... (Video in article)

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    How about Billy Graham - who up until yesterday had Mormonism listed on his website list of cults. Apparently politics beats out actual beliefs.

    The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association removed language labeling Mormonism a “cult” from its website after the famed preacher met with Republican nominee Mitt Romney and the association pledged to help his presidential campaign...

    Romney met with Graham and his son, Franklin, in the elderly evangelist’s North Carolina home. After the meeting Graham said he was impressed by Romney’s business career and his strong moral convictions.

    According to Romney campaign spokesman Rick Gorka, Graham told the Republican nominee, “I’ll do all I can to help you.” Romney later held a campaign rally in nearby Asheville.

    Meanwhile, however, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association’s website continued to call Mormons members of a “cult” along with Unitarians, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Scientologists, Spiritists and members of the Unification Church.

    http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/19...bs-mormon.html

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    Neoconservative Jingoism Plus Mormon Delusion Equals Perpetual War

    The danger to our military families posed by having a man in the White House whose knowledge of the world seems to only extend to avoiding military service, tax shelters, investing in Chinese sweat shops and a stint as a missionary in France, comes from the fact that to be a good Mormon one has to be jingoistic and combative about foreign policy.


    If Romney is a good Mormon he also believes that anyone endorsing models of life outside of Mormon/American xenophobic boundaries is warned in the Book of Mormon in (2 Nephi 10:16) as follows:

    "And this land shall be a land of liberty unto the Gentiles, and there shall be no kings upon the land, who shall raise up unto the Gentiles. And I will fortify this land (the USA) against all other nations. And he that fighteth against Zion shall perish, saith God. For he that raiseth up a king against me shall perish..."

    In other words from the Mormon "perspective" too bad for the country or person who embraces non-US models of government outside the United States. Too bad for those unaware of the "fact" that they are "fighting against God and His Zion" if they disagree with American policy. And since those not like us are fighting against God when they take on America then naturally they must be dealt with very harshly.

    For Mormons no rules of history apply to America. Foreign affairs are a theological statement, not a pragmatic fact-based exercise. In fact America has an obligation to not be bound by any international law let alone to learn from history.

    In No Apology: The Case for American Greatness, Romney writes: "I am one of those who believes America is destined to remain, as it has been since the birth of the republic, the brightest hope of the world."


    Translation: Romney is yet another neoconservative shill for nationalistic adventurism but with a ramped-up Mormon twist. Romney's two books, No Apology and Believe in America, tell us that only a "strong America" can make the world safer and more prosperous.

    http://www.alternet.org/election-201...war?paging=off

    Most of Gecko foreign policy advisers are hard-core neocons spoiling to go after Iran (aka: Iran's oil), militarily, not just diplomatically or financially.

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    Christians delisting Mormonism, Inc from their list of cults.

    Billy Graham's Romney Endorsement Backfires -- 'Mormonism Is a Cult' Meme Could Reach Millions

    designations of Mormonism as non-Christian or a "cult" are extremely offensive to Mormons. According to the Mormon Voices website,
    "Use of such a term [cult] to describe Mormonism is highly offensive to members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. "Cult" carries the connotation of dangerous, even violent groups whose beliefs are irrational and whose practices are immoral and lawless (Koresh and the Branch Davidians, Heaven's Gate, Aum Shinrikyo, and The People's Temple are all prominent examples) . The term cannot be applied to Mormons unless it is so broadly defined that its use could be applied to virtually any religious body.

    Like racist language, the use of the word "cult" to describe a religion usually tells us very little about the religion, but a great deal about the person using the word."

    http://www.alternet.org/speakeasy/br...age=entire%2C1

    Like Wall St execs, uh pitiful victims, whining about being called "fat cat bankers", Mormons, Inc Can't Handle The Truth that Mormon, Inc is a weird, fringe, made-up NON-Christian, anti-Biblical cult. Joe Smith "found" some more books to complete the Bible?



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    magine for a moment that Barack Obama had never attended Jeremiah Wright’s church in Chicago and had decided to attend services, and proselytize for, a black separatist, nationalist church that refused to allow whites to participate in crucial religious services because white people had been condemned by God for their iniquity in the ancient past and had been for ever marked white so black Americans would know instantly to keep their distance. In fact, the definition of white in this black supremacist church was just one drop of white blood in a black person. It was Nazi-like in its racist precision and exclusion. Whites were denied the rites that made a person a full member of the church. Even blacks with a tiny strain of white DNA were kept from full participation.
    Imagine further that backing this racist church was not a youthful folly on Obama’s part, but a profound commitment – that he went on a mission abroad to convert Christians to a new religion based on black racial supremacy, and has often said that the most important thing in his entire life to this day is a church whose sacred scripture declares white people to be cursed by God for their past sins – and the sign of this curse is their white skin.
    A simple question: Do you think this issue would not come up in a general election or a primary? If Obama was subjected to news cycle after news cycle of clips of Obama’s actual former pastor, Jeremiah Wright, can you imagine the outrage if Obama had actually been a part of a black supremacist church – that denied whites equal access to the sacraments – for over a decade in his adult life?
    I raise this because it is a fact that Mitt Romney belonged to a white supremacist church for 31 years of his life, went on a mission to convert Christians and Jews and others to this church, which retained white supremacy as a doctrine until 1978 – decades after Brown vs Board of Education, and a decade after the end of the anti-miscegenation laws.
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/tonyjon...onism-matters/

    Also, in 1978, the D.O.J. threatened to end it's tax-exempt status

    If the L.D.S. Church continued to 'ban' blacks from it's temples and priesthood (I.e. 'going to the 'right' heaven and being able to be God's in/on their own planet, being 'sealed' for eternity to their (Earthly) families, etc.).

    Things changed in a hurry then.

    I''ve even read where white "Saints" would deliberately donate as much blood as they could to individually hurry along blacks and Native Americans to quickly become "white and delightsome" (as specified in at least one of their Bibles as the mark of being worthy to be Holy to God.)
    This, at least in Utah, was a pretty common thing.

    I just wonder if white women's blood was able to perform the same miracle... probably not, as no woman of any color can attain the priesthood even now in the L.D.S. Church, while men of color have been able to since 1978.

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    So you support lower taxes for the rich and more debt...
    Were you a fly on the wall, and have factual evidence?

    Even if Gaddafi was involved back then, he wasn't the same man shortly before his death as he was back then. We interfered with a civil war that lead to even more deaths than if we stayed out of it. The people are less free today than before. Libya may no longer be the most prosperous nation in Africa.

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    Gaddafi was a secular leader who kept terrorism out of Libya and made Libya more modern than it ever was/would have been. I'll take Gadaffi's secular dictatorship over a country run by radical clerics.
    I agree. At least Libya was on a path that could have lead to democracy. Not likely now.

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