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    I am a grumpy old man, to keep my blood flowing, I often listen to Sean
    Hannity. Sean always mentions Obamas promise to cut the deficit in half.
    That always gets my blood boiling.
    Didn't brain-dead Reagan promise a balanced budget by 1984?
    On the day of the second presidential debate, media Tom Brokaw
    said Obama will have to answer for his trillion dollar deficits.

    Lets see what caused these deficits.
    Like Clinton sez, it's only math.

    February 4, 2008.
    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BUDGET-...2009-BUD-4.pdf
    THE BUDGET MESSAGE OF THE PRESIDENT

    In my 2009 Budget, I have set clear priorities that will help us meet our
    Nation’s most pressing needs while addressing the long-term challenges
    ahead. With pro-growth policies and spending discipline, we will balance
    the budget in 2012, keep the tax burden low, and provide for our national
    security. And that will help make our country safer and more prosperous.

    GEORGE W. BUSH
    THE WHITE HOUSE,
    February 4, 2008
    SUMMARY TABLES
    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BUDGET-...009-BUD-31.pdf

    Bush Balanced
    Budget Baseline
    2009 . ...Projected.....Actual ....Difference
    Receipts...2,700 .......2,105 .....-595
    Outlays....3,107 .......3,518 .....+411
    Deficit ......-407 ......-1,413

    Bush
    2010 . ...Projected.....Actual ....Difference
    Receipts...2,931 .......2,163 .....-768
    Outlays....3,091 .......3,456 .....+365
    Deficit ......-160 ......-1,293

    2011 . ...Projected.....Actual ....Difference
    Receipts...3,076 .......2,304 .....-772
    Outlays....3,171 .......3,603 .....+432
    Deficit .......-95 ......-1.300

    2012 . ...Projected.....Actual ....Difference
    Receipts...3,270 .......2,450 .....-820
    Outlays....3,222 .......3,540 .....+318
    Deficit .......+48 .......1,090

    Deficit .-1,413 .-1.293 .-1.300 .-1,090 =-5.096
    Receipts ..-595 ...-768 ...-772 ...-820 =-2.955
    Outlays ...+411 ,.,+365 ...+432 ...+318 =+1.526
    Bush also left more than 500 billion dollars in existing deficits.
    So Bush slithered back to Texas, leaving Obama three and one half
    trillion dollars in deficits over 4 years.

    As can be seen the collapse of the bush supply side scam resulted
    in revenues coming in almost three trillion dollars
    less than the bush balanced budget projections.
    Spending came in about one and one half trillion above the bush balanced
    budget projections.

    Blame the Irish guy for spending three trillion dollars that he never got.
    For Republicans, Lying is a way of life.

    Much of the spending increase was the result of the Bush recession that
    lost almost nine million jobs.
    The recession caused large increases in Medicaid, Social Security
    retirements, food stamps, and Unemployment compensation.
    Outside of the stimulus there was very little spending due to
    bills passed by Obama.
    National Defense:

    2008 ---616,073
    2012 ---676.687 ___+60.614

    Medicaid:

    2008 ---247,739
    2012 ---364.755 ___+117.016

    Medicare:

    2008 ---390,758
    2012 ---499.284 ___+108.526

    Unemployment compensation:

    2008 ---45,340
    2012 --107.080 ___+61.740

    Food and nutrition assistance:

    2008 ---60,673
    2012 --114.975 ___+54.302

    Social Security:

    2008 --617,027
    2012 --781.172 ___+164.145

    Total -------------+566.225
    The bottom line is when Republicans claim that Obamas spending has totaled five
    trillion dollars, THEY ARE LYING. Period.
    It,s simple math. Total spending only increased one and a half trillion dollars.
    Revenue declined by three trillion dollars.
    Obama couldn't spend money that he never got.
    The deficit is mostly the result of falling revenue. PERIOD.
    The failure of the Bush supply side scam.

    For Republicans, Lying is a way of life.





    -----Bluecoller, the grumpy old kraut-----

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    I smell a troll, or at best, an uninformed partisan.

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    I smell a troll, or at best, an uninformed partisan.
    Do you believe that everyone who disagrees with you is uninformed?

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    Do you believe that everyone who disagrees with you is uninformed?
    No, but that is his post #1, and real partisan at that. We all know campaign promises don't mean also. He says he's a "grumpy old man," so hasn't seen that in every president?

    Give me a break.

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    "We all know campaign promises don't mean also."

    But Repug campaign LIES are the TROOF!



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    "We all know campaign promises don't mean also."

    But Repug campaign LIES are the TROOF!


    STFU . Go to planned parenthood and get your free mammogram!

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    No, but that is his post #1, and real partisan at that. We all know campaign promises don't mean also. He says he's a "grumpy old man," so hasn't seen that in every president?

    Give me a break.
    If "campaign promises don't mean ," then why on Earth is Mitt Romney trying to hang President Obama on his campaign promises from 4 years ago?

    They either mean something and history rightly assails those who don't fulfill those promises, or they mean nothing and the failure to satisfy those promises is a non-issue.

    Which is it?

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    It just seems to be how the game is played. Obama is currently hitting Romney for moderating his positions after finally getting out of that god awful primary.

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    cant argue with facts. nice thread OP.

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    I smell a troll, or at best, an uninformed partisan.
    So go take a shower then if you stink.

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    Red team has resorted to blanket dismissals. Very telling when they are incapable of arguing based on merit.

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    Red team has resorted to blanket dismissals. Very telling when they are incapable of arguing based on merit.
    pot, meet kettle

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    Really give examples. I make it a point to not just give blanket dismissals. What I see here is another blanket dismissal from you saying that i am a hypocrite therefor just disregard what I am saying. I counter that with you making a baseless accusation and I think you should show proof if you are going to besmirch me.

    At least when I call you a self righteous en led greedy puke I back it up with your support of medicare, derision of AFDC and other en lements that you do not get, buying golf carts on the governments dime and voting against anyone who proposes a tax increase and support of the tea party converse position.

    See how that works? If you are going to label someone with sting you need to back it up. As usual you fail to do so.

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    Really give examples. I make it a point to not just give blanket dismissals. What I see here is another blanket dismissal from you saying that i am a hypocrite therefor just disregard what I am saying. I counter that with you making a baseless accusation and I think you should show proof if you are going to besmirch me.

    At least when I call you a self righteous en led greedy puke I back it up with your support of medicare, derision of AFDC and other en lements that you do not get, buying golf carts on the governments dime and voting against anyone who proposes a tax increase and support of the tea party converse position.



    See how that works? If you are going to label someone with sting you need to back it up. As usual you fail to do so.
    I don't have to do a ing thing I don't want to do. There are several posters in here I consider worthy of banter/debate. You aren't one of them. You are just a stupid, bitter, loser that is full of hate. GFY.

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    I don't have to do a ing thing I don't want to do. There are several posters in here I consider worthy of banter/debate. You aren't one of them. You are just a stupid, bitter, loser that is full of hate. GFY.
    Of course you don't have to do anything you don't want to. That just NOP with you thus the self righteous comment. I know I don't give blanket dismissals so you aren't convincing me. My point is that if you want to convince anyone else then you should try and do better.

    It's much the same with your last whine about me being a full of hate, stupid, loser, etc. Zero basis except maybe the hate but I don't hate you. I don't like you and I have contempt for you but not hate. There is a difference.

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    If "campaign promises don't mean ," then why on Earth is Mitt Romney trying to hang President Obama on his campaign promises from 4 years ago?

    They either mean something and history rightly assails those who don't fulfill those promises, or they mean nothing and the failure to satisfy those promises is a non-issue.

    Which is it?
    They mean quite a bit to gullible people on both sides.

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    Still blaming Bush? Does Obama ever own up to his mistakes and failures?

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    Still blaming Bush? Does Obama ever own up to his mistakes and failures?
    the Banksters Great Depression is not Barry's depression.

    As I predicted years ago, the Repugs would do nothing for the country (they never do), obstruct everything, and blame the depression, blame everything on Barry and the Dems, as if the damage the Repugs did 2001-2008 would simply evaporate 20 Jan 2009. And the Repug base is dumb enough to believe it. As a button says, "If you repeat a lie enough times, you're a Repug"

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    Still blaming Bush? Does Obama ever own up to his mistakes and failures?
    the financial panic of 2008 and it's economic impact wasn't one. guy has a point.

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    the reliance on idiotic, straight up lies is hardly exclusive to Republicans, but it has been a very notable feature of the opposition since 2009.

    #KenyanMarxistAntichrist

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