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I can't recall a more meaningless presidential election in my lifetime. Romney or Obama, flip a coin, either way we're getting Bush's 4th term.
neither is the solution, lol no alternative....
I can't recall a more meaningless presidential election in my lifetime. Romney or Obama, flip a coin, either way we're getting Bush's 4th term.
Right, you didn't actually argue against anything I said. You still acknowledged that Bush left the US in a pretty bad situation. I never said Obama did anything to clean it up. But I guarantee you there are very few people out that there you could have elected president that would have done much better. It was, and still is, a big big mess.
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I'll agree that most libs are pissed Obama hasn't closed Gitmo, but Obama banning guns was nothing more than NRA fear mongering so gun owners would keep voting Republican and buy guns in record amounts the last 4 years fearing that Obama was gonna ban them. Obama never gave any indication he planned to ban guns or restrict gun rights.
Also, free-the- s is one thing Obama has actually lived up to for the most part (repealing don't ask don't tell, DOMA getting ruled uncons utional during his presidency, etc.). I'd say liberals are most pissed off at Obama for Gitmo, the Patriot Act, extending Bush's tax cuts, bombing Libya, how long it's taking to get out of Afghanistan, etc.
The lesser of two evils is still evil, therefore, anyone who votes for the lesser of two evils still casts their vote for evil, tbh.... we have been "strategically voting" like you're arguing in favor of for decades, and it has only left us with two crony status-quo candidates every election cycle and a deeply-entrenched rigged two-party system....
It's time for people to grow some testicles, get some principles, and STOP caving in to the partisan guilt tactics from Team Red and Team Blue....
+1There you go dummy....blame the person before you when you don't have anything else to stand on. I don't give a .....Obama has failed...he loses by default. Wants to tax me to death to pay for lazy ass people who want handouts. No way son...God bless the USA
I'm sick and tired of paying for everybody's kids. It's the working class/middle class that keeps America running. How many high class and welfare people get up every morning to go to work and actually contribute to society?
That is why I said earlier- that until sheeple get the balls to revolt- that the game will remain rigged.
So either don't vote out of principal if you feel like it- unfortunately- this will only help the big voters (republi s).
Or...
Vote Obama and keep a little more of your hard earned salary...
Or vote Romney and help him make his job screwing you easier.
Fast forward a few decades and the sheeplets will realize that a revolution is the way to go and go to war against the people who own the country right now. Haves vs. have nots.
Don't ask, Don't tell is more like imprisoning the s. I bet s are flocking to the Army in droves now.
Sorry to tell you, but Obama is just as beholden to the 1%-ers and big banks as Willard is, tbh.... personally, I'm writing in Ron Paul....
So you are doing this out of "principal" ... ok...but that only helps Romney- so you are really voting for Romney. Doesn't sound too informed tbh...
I would have voted Ron Paul also - but I knew waaay beforehand that he wouldn't be given a chance so instead of wasting a vote on "principal" I am using it against Romney.
Firstly, how does it help Romney? If anything, most Ron Paul write-in voters are conservatives who are voting against Willard, so that would help Obama....
Secondly, you're still trying to reduce the election into the same exact "team sport" mentality that has gotten us nowhere for decades now.... I don't give a who people like you think it's "helping," I'm writing in Ron Paul because I feel he's the only person in the race who's qualified to be President, imho.... it's a sad state of affairs when people get just for voting their conscience....
Thirdly, I'm not "really voting for Romney," I'm voting for Ron Paul...
Obama's tax rates for people making 250k is something I personally do not agree with. I vote out of self-interest, and I think that is the way it should be, but I also think that his tax plan for people making that amount of money is bad for the country. Romeny is far from perfect/ideal candidate, but it si between him and Obama, who has only run the economy further into the ground with his regulation and tax hikes IMO. Will Romney be able to solve it? probably not, but I think he can do a better job than Obama.
I guarantee you the debt will continue to rise under Romney since his math just doesn't add up. He can't cut taxes and revenue and cut spending based on "projections" that are not fact based. Good luck with that.
Spin it any way you want....Romney thanks you from the bottom of his tax protected billions!
And you're begging for my vote while searching through the bottoms of prisoners, B...
obamaphone, foodstamps, "free health care", free school, free food at school, welfare without work, punishing people who are more ambitious and successful than you, etc. etc.
why wouldn't anyone vote for obama?? and by "anyone" I of course mean the degenerate low lives that make up at least half this country
socialism and tyranny are the path to utopia
if you don't already, you will learn to love Big Brother, err, I mean, Dear Leade-no, I mean: our benevolent Government
LOL Wild Cobra Jr
I have lots of non-stupid friends who I disagree with.tell it to the liberals on this board who think they're soooo smart and trendy and anyone who doesn't agree with their viewpoints are stupid
The problem isn't disagreeing per se, but how and why. Aye, there's the rub.
In this country, we have made the mistake of thinking that when there is an issue with two sides to debate that both sides have equal footing. They don't. Quite often one sides arguments are more compelling and better supported by available evidence, and that acknowledgement is missing in a lot of people's thinking.
Right, dem is the only right side of the argument says you case closed. Gotcha.
Reminds me of something else closed minded people once said.. "If it ain't white, it ain't right." Same school of thought IMHO.
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All a debate is - is one side trying to convince the other that their way is superior. Both are driven by an agenda ($$$) of their interests.
As are you - be honest SBM - would you vote for a president who's policies would negatively impact you in a major way personally but would be fantastic for the overall direction of this great country?
Congratulations, you really showed that strawman. Gave him the what for, indeed.
Democrats do not always have the more compelling arguments. I very carefully avoided saying that, because that isn't what I think.
My comment was more general commentary about our country's intellectual failings when it comes to critical thinking.
Are you trying to say that every time there are two sides or disagreement about something that both sides always have an equally valid/strong case?
I'm not. I care what about what generally works, what benefits the most people, and generally strongly consider costs and benefits, even if such things would be to my own detriment.
Sorry. Blanket cynicism is a lazy way to view the world, IMO. There are certainly times when people/parties/groups do represent their interests, but that isn't always a bad thing.
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