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Isiah Thomas or Hakeem
There, I said it
Interesting topic I saw earlier, just curious since most people would say Jordan is the GOAT, who is the GOAT if Michael never existed?
Isiah Thomas or Hakeem
There, I said it
Bird or Magic.
Kobe and Lebron would be close too.
If Kobe didn't have MJ to model his game after, who would he have tried to emulate
Himself
Kobe wanna be like magic before nba but he change ta Jordan. without Jordan it possible he aspire ta be a 6'7 pg
no Jordan then the goat magic, bird or kareem
Chamberlain is GOAT with or without Jordan. People generally lack perspective. In 20 more years it will be Lebron. That's just how people roll.
A case could be made for Magic, Kareem, Bird or Russell - would probably vote for Russell.
A minimum of 3 final mvps is required to at least be in the discussion.
Kareem got 2 n he betta than duncan
Gotta be Magic.
LOL stat-padder who stopped playing defense after picking up a fourth foul so that he could say he never fouled out in his career.
Yeah, no, dominating against inferior compe ion doesn't make you the goat
game evolve n players evolve. Wilt be ahead of his time but Shaq wouldda gotten 80pts a game
Russell or jabbar. Leaning towards Russell tho.
Yeah he sure padded those stats when he was in LA.
He was the most dominant basketball player of any era. You can him and haw around that if you like but there was never a more dominant individual to play the game
He and Greer just weren't better than Russell, Havlicek and the Jones brothers all by themselves even if they took them to 7 games most years. Once Walker came into his own they beat them. It's a team sport.
Magic, tbh...
Gonna throw a question out there -- If Magic and Lew Alcindor are considerations for the GOAT, why do they not get points off for playing together, like Kobe does for Shaq?
Inferior compe ion? He played against the Celtics who were the best team of all time. This was before the ABA who poached a TON of talent during their run, the merger and expansions that diluted the talent. In 1967, there were only 10 teams in the league.
if you look at the annual standings you didn't see a whole lot of teams winning less that 30% of their games in any year. Nowadays there are 5 or 6 every year. Inferior compe ion? I've got your inferior compe ion right HERE
Alcindor couldn't do much without Robertson or Magic. The period between them was a bunch of missed playoffs and first round exits. This also was the ABA run so he wasn't having to play agains Gilmore, Malone, Issel, Thompson Hawkins, Daniels, Dampier, Cunningham, Barry, Gervin or Erving. It's reminiscent of Kobe between Shaq and Gasol but went on for nearly a decade.
Bro, I understand the argument, but the game has changed so much since then. If you put someone like Elden Campbell out there against 50s/60s compe ion, while he may not have beaten Russel's Celtics, he would be considered a legendary big man. I know palming was called a lot more back then but a lot of these guys couldn't even dribble (Bob Pet ?) and they barely played defense. Wilt was ahead of his time and while he was an exceptional athlete who would still be a top C in todays game, he is not the GOAT and should be docked points for playing against people who weren't really his peers, aside from Russel who was terrible on the offensive side of the ball. The game has evolved to such an insane point, players nowadays are so much more conditioned and have much more to work with than back then. Not saying Wilt or Oscar weren't great players but they are not on the level of Jordan
Closet Laker fan, tbh.
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