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    Bro, I understand the argument, but the game has changed so much since then. If you put someone like Elden Campbell out there against 50s/60s compe ion, while he may not have beaten Russel's Celtics, he would be considered a legendary big man. I know palming was called a lot more back then but a lot of these guys couldn't even dribble (Bob Pet ?) and they barely played defense. Wilt was ahead of his time and while he was an exceptional athlete who would still be a top C in todays game, he is not the GOAT and should be docked points for playing against people who weren't really his peers, aside from Russel who was terrible on the offensive side of the ball. The game has evolved to such an insane point, players nowadays are so much more conditioned and have much more to work with than back then. Not saying Wilt or Oscar weren't great players but they are not on the level of Jordan
    I call bull . There was no three point shot to spread the floor and the same thing would have happened to Campbell as happened to Chamberlain. He would have gotten hammered.

    Oh and Bill Russell, Jerry Lucas, Gus Johnson, Willis Reed, Lou Alcindor, Nate Thurmond, Walt Bellamy, Wes Unseld, Elvin Hayes, and Dave Cowens say . People like to act like the NBA was Adolph Rupp and the Aryan Allstars when he played and in the NBA today every team has a talented 6'10" big but thats just bull .

    And don't talk to me about conditioned. Chamberalin averaged 46 MPG for his career.

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    Closet Laker fan, tbh.
    Closet Spurfan, tbh...

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    So in a 20 year span, you can give me like 10-12 players who would still be good today?

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    So in a 20 year span, you can give me like 10-12 players who would still be good today?
    More like 10 years and they would be better than good. You act like the league is jsut chock full of talented bigs. You really think that prime Andrew Bynum or Chris Kaman would beat prime Wes Unseld or Moses Malone? You forget what the NBA has to offer year in and year out over the last decade or more.

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    Wilt. The only reason he's been written off the GOAT list is because of Jordan, ask any fan pre-Jordan era.

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    Shaq would've gotten called for charges for his post moves. Watch some film of Chamberlain and compare and contrast with the Shaq method of squat take two power dribbles into the guy to knock him out of the way so you have a clear path. There were no defensive three second rules and no three point shots. You packed the lane.

    Shaq could not hold a candle to Wilt athletically. He won track and field events at KU. He had power and agility. Not to say that O'Neal was a complete sloth but he was hardly a gazelle.

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    Shaq would've gotten called for charges for his post moves. Watch some film of Chamberlain and compare and contrast with the Shaq method of squat take two power dribbles into the guy to knock him out of the way so you have a clear path. There were no defensive three second rules and no three point shots. You packed the lane.

    Shaq could not hold a candle to Wilt athletically. He won track and field events at KU. He had power and agility. Not to say that O'Neal was a complete sloth but he was hardly a gazelle.
    ya neva seen shaq when he was under 300? he had handles n speed, da reason he was good in the first place was dat Shaq was like 280 n move like a sf.

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    Wilt Chamberlain... A case could also be made for Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson and Larry Bird.. Actually, Wilt should be above Jordan too, but the fact that the rings aren't there kills him too much..

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    LOL stat-padder who stopped playing defense after picking up a fourth foul so that he could say he never fouled out in his career.
    different times tbh...

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    Wilt Chamberlain... A case could also be made for Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson and Larry Bird.. Actually, Wilt should be above Jordan too, but the fact that the rings aren't there kills him too much..
    he got as many as Hakeem but mo people gon say Hakeem betta

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    Len Bias, tbh

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    Tryna say Jordan sell him the ?

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    kareem, hakeem, or magic probably

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    kareem, hakeem, or magic probably
    Don't think so. Hakeem would'nt have dominated his era even without Jordan. We would probably see his 6 rings go to Magic/Isaiah, Ewing/Drexler, Barkley, Payton and Malone.

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    I don't really rate individuals by team accomplishments anyway. Hakeem the individual player is a lock for top 5 all time in the modern era..it's my personal opinion that no one has ever impacted the game on both ends the way he did.

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    even with Mike, I still have no problem putting Kareem at number one. I often flip flop between the two and people always forget how dominant Kareem was while with the Bucks. His resume (both college and pro) can go up against anyone's ......

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    Don't think so. Hakeem would'nt have dominated his era even without Jordan. We would probably see his 6 rings go to Magic/Isaiah, Ewing/Drexler, Barkley, Payton and Malone.
    You're forgetting how good that Pacers team was in 98.

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    even with Mike, I still have no problem putting Kareem at number one. I often flip flop between the two and people always forget how dominant Kareem was while with the Bucks. His resume (both college and pro) can go up against anyone's ......
    Dominant? Thurmond and Wilt outplayed him in the 1972 playoffs where Alcindor played far below his stat padded season averages. Then you take the next decade of mediocrity. Kareem is the MOAT, Most Overrated of All Time.

    Shaq Hakeem and Wilt are all superior players. Kareem just played a really long time.

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    No jordan and the all-time GOAT still has the initials of MJ imho

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    Dominant? Thurmond and Wilt outplayed him in the 1972 playoffs where Alcindor played far below his stat padded season averages. Then you take the next decade of mediocrity. Kareem is the MOAT, Most Overrated of All Time.

    Shaq Hakeem and Wilt are all superior players. Kareem just played a really long time.
    ya seem ta really hate Kareem cuz you like usin his old name before he became a muslim. Do ya hate Islam or just Kareem?

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    even with Mike, I still have no problem putting Kareem at number one. I often flip flop between the two and people always forget how dominant Kareem was while with the Bucks. His resume (both college and pro) can go up against anyone's ......
    +1

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    even with Mike, I still have no problem putting Kareem at number one. I often flip flop between the two and people always forget how dominant Kareem was while with the Bucks. His resume (both college and pro) can go up against anyone's ......
    People underestimate Jordan's college career. The moment Dean Smith got off his back, he dominated like no other (Olympics 1984).

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    Bird was already the consensus GOAT before MJ.

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    ya seem ta really hate Kareem cuz you like usin his old name before he became a muslim. Do ya hate Islam or just Kareem?
    That was his name in 1972. Notice how I used both names as both names are part of the man.

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    That was his name in 1972. Notice how I used both names as both names are part of the man.
    he change his name when he become Muslim. it bein disrespectful ta him n his religion, so ya must hate one or the other

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