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    Individually the poor are not too tempting to thieves, for obvious reasons. Mug a banker and you might score a wallet containing a month's rent. Mug a janitor and you will be lucky to get away with bus fare to flee the crime scene. But as Business Week helpfully pointed out in 2007, the poor in aggregate provide a juicy target for anyone depraved enough to make a business of stealing from them.

    The trick is to rob them in ways that are systematic, impersonal, and almost impossible to trace to individual perpetrators. Employers, for example, can simply program their computers to shave a few dollars off each paycheck, or they can require workers to show up 30 minutes or more before the time clock starts ticking.


    Lenders, including major credit companies as well as payday lenders, have taken over the traditional role of the street-corner loan shark, charging the poor insanely high rates of interest. When supplemented with late fees (themselves subject to interest), the resulting effective interest rate can be as high as 600 percent a year, which is perfectly legal in many states.


    It's not just the private sector that's preying on the poor. Local governments are discovering that they can partially make up for declining tax revenues through fines, fees, and other costs imposed on indigent defendants, often for crimes no more das ly than driving with a suspended license. And if that seems like an inefficient way to make money, given the high cost of locking people up, a growing number of jurisdictions have taken to charging defendants for their court costs and even the price of occupying a jail cell.



    The poster case for government persecution of the down-and-out would have to be Edwina Nowlin, a homeless Michigan woman who was jailed in 2009 for failing to pay $104 a month to cover the room-and-board charges for her 16-year-old son's incarceration. When she received a back paycheck, she thought it would allow her to pay for her son's jail stay. Instead, it was confiscated and applied to the cost of her own incarceration.


    Government Joins the Looters of the Poor



    You might think that policymakers would take a keen interest in the amounts that are stolen, coerced, or extorted from the poor, but there are no official efforts to track such figures. Instead, we have to turn to independent investigators, like Kim Bobo, author of Wage Theft in America, who estimates that wage theft nets employers at least $100 billion a year and possibly twice that. As for the profits extracted by the lending industry, Gary Rivlin, who wrote Broke USA: From Pawnshops to Poverty, Inc.—How the Working Poor Became Big Business, says the poor pay an effective surcharge of about $30 billion a year for the financial products they consume and more than twice that if you include subprime credit cards, subprime auto loans, and subprime mortgages.


    These are not, of course, trivial amounts. They are on the same order of magnitude as major public programs for the poor. The government distributes about $55 billion a year, for example, through the largest single cash-transfer program for the poor, the earned income tax credit; at the same time, employers are siphoning off twice that amount, if not more, through wage theft.


    And while government generally turns a blind eye to the tens of billions of dollars in exorbitant interest that businesses charge the poor, it is notably chary with public benefits for the poor. Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, for example, our sole remaining nationwide welfare program, gets only $26 billion a year in state and federal funds. The impression is left of a public sector that's gone totally schizoid: on the one hand, offering safety-net programs for the poor; on the other, enabling large-scale private-sector theft from the very people it is supposedly trying to help.
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...it-poor-people

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    America The Beautiful

    The unregulated, extreme risk, predatory, financialized free market delivering the best solution (for the 1%)

    When PE and TBTF finance houses buy up nursing homes, health care, strip mall loan shark shops, and water/electricity coops, you know you're going to the tiest product for the highest possible price.

    Growth of large private water companies brings highe
    r water rates, little recourse for consumers

    http://www.statesman.com/news/news/s...ngs-h-1/nRh7F/

    It's how the 1% redistributes (steals) wealth from the 99%.

    But go ahead, you assholes vote for the Gecko/Ryan and watch them you and the environment hard and deep within a year.


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    another day, more angry pillow talk. this bit never gets old for you, does it?

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    The poor need to take personal responsibility for their lives.

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    another day, more angry pillow talk. this bit never gets old for you, does it?
    GFY

    and try a little harder to see the Big Picture that's ing us all.

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    I can see it. Problem is, you can't see anything else.

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    The poor need to take personal responsibility for their lives.
    the increase in the unemployed and and folks on public relief is no doubt tied to an increase in the number of lazy people. the obvious solution to this problem is to cut off their food stamps, health care and unemployment insurance, so as to properly motivate them.

    side note: I can't decide whether to invest in the funeral industry or potter's fields. can someone help me out here?

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    and try a little harder to see the Big Picture that's ing us all.
    lol. Enjoy the delicious sauce.

    Hint: The "Big Picture" is multi-facted. Not the RSS polaroid you have on your bathroom mirror.

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    It's a soft bank with a extremely poor return. But, there is a return, and the local/state/fed gov. have the infrastructure and methodology to collect.

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    fees and fines

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    Texas has got to be the Subject Matter Expert on this.

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    the increase in the unemployed and and folks on public relief is no doubt tied to an increase in the number of lazy people. the obvious solution to this problem is to cut off their food stamps, health care and unemployment insurance, so as to properly motivate them.

    side note: I can't decide whether to invest in the funeral industry or potter's fields. can someone help me out here?
    Diversify.

    This makes me sick, frankly.

    I had to threaten to terminate an employee who kept showing up and working without clocking in; it's not legal, and it's immoral even if they want to do it voluntarily. Employers do it out of habit/practice make me sick. The govt. is horrible at catching/punishing them as well. And not just with that; many companies flaunt/ignore regulations regularly with no consequence. Puts me at a compe ive disadvantage, frankly, trying to do the "right" thing.

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    It's even worse with illegal aliens, who are badly underpaid or not paid even their ty wages, but have no legal options.

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    one form of wage theft costs 8 billion annually in ten US states. dollar-wise, it's a worse problem than robbery:

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/business...t-12976580.php

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    What is wage theft?

    Wage theft is the failure to pay workers the full wages to which they are legally en led. Wage theft can take many forms, including but not limited to:

    • Minimum wage violations: Paying workers less than the legal minimum wage
    • Overtime violations: Failing to pay nonexempt employees time-and-a-half for hours worked in excess of 40 hours per week
    • Off-the-clock violations: Asking employees to work off-the-clock before or after their shifts
    • Meal break violations: Denying workers their legal meal breaks
    • Pay stub and illegal deductions: Taking illegal deductions from wages or not distributing pay stubs
    • Tipped minimum wage violations: Confiscating tips from workers or failing to pay tipped workers the difference between their tips and the legal minimum wage
    • Employee misclassification violations: Misclassifying employees as independent contractors to pay a wage lower than the legal minimum

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    the increase in the unemployed and and folks on public relief is no doubt tied to an increase in the number of lazy people. the obvious solution to this problem is to cut off their food stamps, health care and unemployment insurance, so as to properly motivate them.

    side note: I can't decide whether to invest in the funeral industry or potter's fields. can someone help me out here?

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    Healthcare has went from six percent of a family budget in 1935 (IIRC) to roughly 20 percent now. Democrats (and Republicans) are great at extorting money from all classes.

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    funeral homes or cemetery land, whaddya think?

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    one form of wage theft costs 8 billion annually in ten US states. dollar-wise, it's a worse problem than robbery:

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/business...t-12976580.php
    Texas may pass a bill that identifies wage theft perps and scofflaws in the current lege: https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup...=86R&Bill=HB48

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    Texas may pass a bill that identifies wage theft perps and scofflaws in the current lege: https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup...=86R&Bill=HB48
    I'm surprised pro-business / anti-Labor Repugs would even bother with this charade.

    Wage theft is one of the key reasons employers love illegals, pay them AND steal that , knowing the illegals won't go to the authorities with the CBP/ICE vultures ready to swoop.

    I figure this charade will be as effective, in practice, as the jokey TCEQ.

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    The Texas lege putting the spotlight on corrupt employers who steal wages isn't nothing.

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    The Texas lege putting the spotlight on corrupt employers who steal wages isn't nothing.
    yep, totally surprising, so I think it will be a charade, with no bureaucracy/staffing/funding/enforcement, amounting to "nothing"

    I never give ANY Repug the benefit of the doubt.

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    The state drawing public attention to the problem by proposing the law isn't nothing. In fact, it's a good way to set the table for future legislation that actually does something.

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    The state drawing public attention to the problem by proposing the law isn't nothing. In fact, it's a good way to set the table for future legislation that actually does something.
    public attention in xenophobic, racist Texas doesn't GAF out employers ripping off illegals.

    I expect TX Repugs will do nothing pro-Labor. eg, blocking/cutting property taxes to starve schools and teachers.

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    The Texas lege putting the spotlight on corrupt employers who steal wages isn't nothing.
    I would bet against it passing. Too "anti business" and the victims are mostly brown people. Hate to sound cynical, but the Bathroom Bill Brigade doesn't seem like a machine that produces something that would protect ANY worker over employers.

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