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I don't think anyone is saying OKC will suck - it's just that Harden is a better player than Martin. I don't think that is arguable. OKC did get some trade assets though (first round picks) so it will be interesting to see if they do anything else.
Oh whatever SpurPadre. Sefolosha or Harden. Same . Same us as with Manu and whoever we start at SG ahead of him. You know what i meant. They are scary then, they can go offensive with Martin at the 2 or defense with Thabo at the 2. Damn.
I don't think anyone is saying OKC will suck - it's just that Harden is a better player than Martin. I don't think that is arguable. OKC did get some trade assets though (first round picks) so it will be interesting to see if they do anything else.
OKC's still a good team but they shot themselves in the foot.
Yes, it's sabermetrics but still
No, it isn't "whatever". No offense but starting Sefolosha over Martin is a much better move than starting Martin over him. I agree with you that OKC is still a contender and still a scary team...but still weaker today than they were last season.
Though Harden did better then Martin in every statistical catergory last year except points (Martin 17.1 Harden 16.8) Every other category, ast, reb, stl, blk, fg%, 3ptfg% Harden beat out Martin and he is a prick to play against also. So hopefuly OKC chemistry gets mucked up and they lose a good all round player for a player i see as mainly just a scorer. Maybe the Thunder just got worse.
well this really helps out my prediction that Perry Jones will have a good season
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Another crazy NBA offseason. Since June, we've had 31 trades involving 96 players. And 29 of 30 teams - all but the Spurs - made a trade.
I should note that a Harden and Lin backcourt could be very entertaining. I mean, I'm not one that bought into the Lin overhype; the dude is a turnover machine that makes Beno Udrih look surehanded...but he still has potential to do some good things for the Rockets. And now with Harden on board, they're going to be compe ive somehow. They won't be contenders but they'll still be tough.
a lot of overrating of harden going on in here
people acting like had a hakeem series vs us
his best game was game 2 where the spurs beatdown the thunder and everyone was creaming themselves and making prediction of the spurs going undefeated
outside of hitting one big shot in game 5 he didnt have much of an effect on the series
he couldnt even guard old man manu
kevin martin is one of the if not the best offball player in the league
and ive followed jeremy lamb in summer league and he looks like another future stud
that on top of the lottery picks okc gets makes this a trade rape
over half of okcs team will be talented lottery players
theyre gonna be stacked in 2 years and they dont really get worse in the meantime
and these new anti flopping rule basically kills hardens game
he either shoots open 3s or drives to the basket and holds the ball in front of him hoping someone reaches in so he can flop
OKC should have paid Harden. Even when he's an terrible defensive player, he's clutch dropping 3's, makes indefensible points also has good playmaking skills. Martin, while a good player, isn't near that versatile, he's not that young either. The projects and picks, may pan out or not, Harden is only 22 and the real deal.
That's just sad.
You lose the argument with your "he couldn't even guard old man manu" take. Nobody can guard old man Manu because old man Manu is still a damn good player. And no one is overrating Harden but you are underrating a guy who's only 23 and figures to get better. Your views on Martin as one of the best offball players in the league is pretty exagerrating, though. Yes, he's solid and he's killed us in the past but he's not one of the best offball players in the league. He's incredibly streaky and he's also injury-prone. He's also going to be 30 this season and has reached his ceiling while Harden hasn't hit his prime yet.
Was this really that unexpected for most of you? I told you guys Harden was going to get big cash and that OKC was too cheap to pay him what he wanted. Predictable as imo. OKC owner is a bigtime cheapskate.
The best that would've happened was them trading him mid season. There's no way a penny pinching owner would let a huge asset like that simply walk after the season. He was going to get every bit out of him he could via trade. And you can get the most before the season starts.
this isnt 05 anymore
you should look up manus stats in the first 2 rounds
and once they put sefolosha on him after the first 2 games ginobili was garbage except for game 5
and who is better then kevin martin off the ball
the only true offball players i can think of are rip hamilton and ray allen maybe klay thompson will take the next step this year and thats about it
and both of them were washed up years ago
harden game isnt gonna evolve to an all time great
he wont ever be a post up threat
and never be a good defender
and the anti flopping rules nuke his game
and its not even about kevin martin
he was just filler
jeremy lamb is basically another long talented shooter who can become better then kevin martin
ontop of another 2 future lottery picks
okc is gonna have a starting lineup full of talented long athletic lottery picks
durant westbrook ibaka pj3 lamb +2 lottery pikcs
compared to the spurs whose only lottery pick is duncan then the rest are past the 20 range
And yet the Spurs made a WCF with only one lottery pick.
The last time the Spurs panicked and made an attempt at a super team they netted Richard Jeffersn. Patience is the key for Spurs fans.
Exactly. If Harden was moved at the deadline instead of right before the season he would have won them a fair share of games. Now KMart takes his minutes?
having a top 10 player of all time as the lottery pick is the reason why
in the end its easier for me to believe a lottery pick player coming from management who knows how to draft will be better then relying on the likes of euro league rejects like danny green gary neal and matt bonner to produce when it matters
Green was a D-Leaguer, son
And the Spurs system is one where talent doesn't really matter - or shouldn't really matter, but in the end we're counting on a TOSB to be a GOAT
You're overthinking the Manu thing. He just sucked balls @OKC. That's it. Look again at the stats. Great at home, sucked on the road. He was mediocre on the road @LAC the series before too. I think Manu had one good road game all playoffs, out of 7.
As for the off ball thing, that only matters if the guy with the ball is willing to pass. Durant and Westbrook combine for only 9 assists a game. They also consume half of OKC"s total offensive possessions (with a shot or a turnover) per game. And that was with Harden who shot better than both of them and has been playing with them for years. Think about it. Martin's PPG is going down quite a bit this year since he's playing with two ball hoggers.
Also, "2 lottery picks"? Seriously? Houston isn't going to lose games since they won't even get the picks. They're going to be over .500 and probably make the playoffs. Those picks are going to be in the ballpark of the 16-22 area. Not the lottery (besides the raptors pick)
Last edited by Kidd K; 10-28-2012 at 01:41 AM.
spurs system relies a lot on talent
its based of the big 3 ability to draw double teams and help defense and kick it out to the matt bonners
its why once okc started switching on pick and rolls the spurs crumbled
you need an elite player who can break down defenses to pass it out to the 3 point shooters
parker and ginobili couldnt consistently beat perkins/ibaka 1v1 and would get their shot blocked or force bad shots
duncan couldnt post up collison and score consistently and the team would go through rough stretches when pop kept calling 4 down
that was the iden y switch pop talked about
okcs players could beat ours in 1v1 situations and draw help defense or multiple defenders and make easy passes to there role players and have them go off for games like 22/25 or whatever it was
all they were doing was driving it in and kicking it to someone underneath the rim for a dunk
houston will be a 9th seed again this year
jeremy lin isnt carrying a team in a stacked western conference to the playoffs
they will be good in time but not now
dallas is at best a 6 seed
collison+mayo cant take a team to the playoffs either
it depends on an older dirk and hes already broken down before the season started
if he misses 15-20 games dallas is out of the playoffs
Last edited by freetiago; 10-28-2012 at 01:44 AM.
Teams that pay $60M to a guy who can't be the best or 2nd best player on a championship contending team end up mediocre at best.
It's funny guys are saying Kevin Martin isn't that good when he tends to play well against us. It looks like Harden is following the Joe Johnson path. OKC now has two quality backup pg's in Lamb and Maynor while we're still trying to figure out our backup pg situation. We really need a trade to solve Bonner/Blair and land us a backup pg.
Lamb's a swing, not a PG. I'd rather trade Bonner for a rebounding big or salary dump him so the Spurs can get Kenyon Martin (or whoever's available, heck even Ben Wallace would be nice)
The Spurs are set. They don't need any trades. Diaw and Jackson will bring #5.
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