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Sup, Mag.
But............why?
Sup, Mag.
measuring contest.
And that matters...why? Maybe they can't pick their nose as well as you either but at least they have real skills that translate into the real world. Who cares about trivial little ? I mean..maybe they're not double jointed either. So?
Jesus Christ, Lefty, just tell him how to join the company credit union.Bachelor in Human Resources
And I'm a certified HR Advisor
ing certification doesnt earn me more $$$$$
nah i sometimes have to verify employment on customers and HR people are some of the most worthless, lazy 9.00 an hour heads i've ever had the misfortune of dealing with
9.00 an hour ?
It's really simple. Following WW2, a whole ton of boomers were encouraged very strongly into the engineering profession. Nowadays for whatever reason there are not as many new engineers coming out. The Boomers are leaving the workforce and there is an evergrowing vacuum in that particular labor supply. A software engineer can make $80k right out of the gate. This is going to continue trending because there are a whole lot of Boomers and not a lot of the rest of us to replace them.
If you can do partial differential equations and harmonic analysis then you too can be an engineer. That's about as hard as the math gets. Topology is not required unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your viewpoint.
It goes to the claim that science is somehow a harder field to study. I have seen plenty of science majors struggle in the most basic of humanities courses. So one is not harder than the other; they are simply different.
As to which kind of expertise our society reimburses at a higher rate, that is a different question.
Ploto..aren't you like a nurse or an EMT anyway? Those jobs add 1000 times more value to society than whatever liberal arts majors do with their degrees. The reason a science major might struggle in a humanities course is because it doesn't interest them and they don't care, not due to lack of ability. That's the difference. A science major can dig down and read romeo and juliet and write a report for some english class, but an english major 9 times out of 10 can't make it through a rigorous science program. I mean if you want to say liberal arts is "hard" in the sense that watching paint dry is hard then sure, but it doesn't require as much ability or brain power.
You asked specifically what I quoted which had nothing to do with advanced engineering positions. I get onto flights that are booked by going on standby. You could say the flights are customer saturated, but I manage to get a flight most often. The same is true with entry level engineering jobs. They aren't going away, and the "saturation" mentioned just means you have stiff compe ion. It's not first come/first serve. You have to be better or at least appear to be.
Sure it does. If you think "what's expected" is the norm, you're too long out of a real job. If you get an internship at an engineering firm, you have an open door to get placement once you graduate. That depends largely upon your ability to show how effective you are during your internship. It's not just showing up and fetching coffee. I've hired several recent grads that I knew already on a first name basis and who already knew our systems because they interned and spent a lot of time being useful. When they go, you feel you're short a good resource so you seek to even get a req opened for a new hire. These are not vague concepts to anyone who's hired interns. I didn't mention connections. Remember, we are addressing getting jobs in a saturated market, not getting advanced position, so because someone mentioned that engineering is a saturated field, I had to clarify that it's hard to get into but not hard to continue once you've established yourself.Connections and internships, as vague concepts, are not sufficient answers to that question. Making connections and working as an intern are expected when getting a degree in any field, so simply doing that does not make you (or anyone else) special and unique.
Just a few seconds of basic research would answer all those questions btw.
I think that was the point.It absolutely is a stupid set of questions. It attempts to judge liberal arts criteria against measures it was never intended to satisfy.
Engineering interns are made to be assistants on day 1. There's no warming up. They are shown the ropes and quite often they even provide insight. I had one intern who totally revamped our software. He got hired.Because engineering interns are let loose and allowed to just start building on day one?
That's not what engineering interns do. They don't do busy work. It's not a radio station where the intern runs copies and fetches coffee. Engineering interns actually perform tests and collect and analyze data. It's supervised by engineers, but just the same it's not busywork. We had a couple liberal arts majors decorating the break room however (true story).Internships in my field are no more or less filled with bull busywork than internships in any other field. You do the the paid staff doesn't want to do. In a museum, that could include everything from working the front desk, to helping to plan/organize special events, to helping install new shows, and on and on.
Ok, and anyone who's into martial arts is probably sweating a lot and going to practices and wearing protective gear. They are not MMA fighters however. Stop equivocating reading and volume with technical difficulty. You're basically saying high school PE = Olympics.That's not uppity. That's pouting based on an assumption that everyone else is off having fun while they're stuck inside. Anyone in college who takes their work seriously is spending plenty of Saturday nights at home, no matter their field of study.
You're assuming that engineers aren't culturally developed. I've read all the classics, and I am involved in philosophical debates. As an atheist, I am probably as well versed on religious texts as most theists who aren't theologians.
Let's see the philosophy majors explain the emotional complexities of a photomultiplier tube and use that information to plot a decay rate. Then tell me if that's going to work for my 100,000 scans per second requirement.
Anyone here can get a degree in philosophy or some other "don't need it" course. It's those that are actually needed that are in demand (for a reason). Supply/Demand doesn't stop at the liberal arts level.
Many liberal arts classes just require participation. There's several that don't require you to be right, only to be involved. In engineering, you have to be right. There are foundations built before you were born to check your work. In philosophy, you can consider an ant hill to be Moses, and justify it though some wordy double speak that might impress those who think you are enlightened. You cannot impress engineers with bull talk. When you graduate a liberal arts course, you're now an unemployable person with a liberal arts degree. Your take on abstract things means no more than the engineers take on abstract things. You might feel better about yourself, but that doesn't mean much to anyone else who doesn't know you.
Basically, liberal arts degrees are useless in the world outside of your thoughts.
DMC went HAM, imo.
Never heard of someone failing a philosophy class and getting an engineering degree instead. Never met a parent who said "yeah, we had hoped he would major in studies but he let us down and got a degree in aerospace engineering".
internships vary from company to company. one of my buddies in college interned at a company in Austin as an EE major his junior and senior years that eventually got bought out by smsc, they made a chip in the late 90s and early 2000s that was used in high end vehicles like BMW and Mercedes. The majority of his internship was spent counting and baiting sugar ants and seeing how long he could hold his breath. They offered him 80k after graduation. Our other friend interred for Sun as an EE major and did the same kind of during the same time period. He's now a mid level exec for AMD.
So both got jobs for the company in which they interned.
People accustomed to working in hourly jobs where their output is measured on a quota basis often think salaried jobs are "do nothing". One would think that with my 20 hours a week (sometimes) but it's not about how much work you do, but what it is you are doing. I see the one guy adapted pretty well to having idle time.
he couldn't ever break 90 seconds, was very disappointed in himself.
It's not funny. I had to read 300 pages about sexuals and watch Philadelphia like 10 times and write an insightful essay. I just love Tom Hanks.
It's hard. It sucks making 6 figure salaries while eating nachos and watching the liberal arts majors working hard checking badges at the door.
My laughter was just a deflection. I tried to be a studies major but reading those 300 pages was so hard
I then changed to business and started taking 18 units a semester so I could graduate with 150 units and become a CPA. That was so much easier. My parents are pretty disappointed.
my best friend who was a psych major got to 6 figures faster in corporate sales at dell, but they are all up there now.
Fortunately there are those here who persevered through the BUD/S like gauntlet that is Studies and they can probably help you cope with the fact that your parents will never recover from the disappointment you laid at their doorsteps. Just go out and buy a really thick long sleeved sweater that's really too big for you, pull the sleeves over your palms and get an oversized porcelain cup and, using both hands, drink some coffee made locally by someone who has a doctorate in some liberal art who smokes hand rolled scented tobacco or cloves and who serves esoteric brands of java (no, doesn't own... just serves) while listening to the sounds of "Broken Placenta" and nodding understandingly as this Studies professional waxes philosophical to you about the intricacies of the human psyche and how emotions are cathartic. You should cry about now.My laughter was just a deflection. I tried to be a studies major but reading those 300 pages was so hard
I then changed to business and started taking 18 units a semester so I could graduate with 150 units and become a CPA. That was so much easier. My parents are pretty disappointed.
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