He was detained and interrogated by US authorities. There's obviously some cooperation by Canadian authorities, but the actual call to detain him was made entirely by US immigration authorities.
That was in response to this statement:
How much better are we than anyone else if we simply abide by the law without thought to right or wrong?
The cons ution itself says the law should be applied equally to everybody. There's no moral or reciprocity considerations. It's the law of our land.
No relation whatsoever with the Middle East. I'm also not 'eager' to forgive transgressions by anybody. I personally consider certain people from that part of the world fairly barbaric, but that's beside the point.
I simply think very highly of the US Cons ution, and the standards it sets. I find the government being proactive in taking a on it fairly offensive.
This specific episode reeks of "free speech is great until you say something we don't like". I don't like it. I don't think that's what free speech is all about. After all, this was a civilian participating in a political process. Not an 'enemy combatant' or such thing.
Your disagreement is noted. I'll simply agree to disagree.
Actually, you're wrong about this. Pakistani authorities do complain about what US diplomats and officials say, not infrequently, but they don't behead them. Or even detain them. Not that I know of.
You got any examples, or are you just talking out of your hat?
Who's been beheaded over the drone attacks?
Pakistan has complained loudly about them, but who got beheaded over it? I dare you to name one person who did.
Certainly wasn't a US diplomat or politician. We'd have heard about that. I bet you can't even name a soldier this happened to within the context of your own remark.
El Nono's from Argentina, asshole.
Pakistan ain't the Middle East. It's South Asia, you ignorant . Plus, the Middle East ain't one big undifferentiated thing. But maybe it is to you, though . . .
Everything the US government does ain't right. This is ing bull . But maybe you agree with whatever the party in power does . . .
I got to the part I bolded before i decide to post, and before reading anything else.
1) Glenn Greenwood...
2) Guardian...
Can I trust the rest to be true?
Here is what The Nation says:
Issue of Imran Khan's offloading solved: US State Department
He was harassed and intimidated, with State Dept knowledge and approval. "issue was resolved" is meaningless bureaucratic pablum.
so quick to resort to the ad hominem. just because you distrust the source doesn't refute what it says, WC. that's just where your argument fell down and you fell back on name calling.
you do know that ad hominem counts as a logical fallacy, right?
, you distrusting a source that disagrees with you almost counts as an unintentional joke . . .
Ok, then, how do we sort out the people who just are opposed to this, and the people who are willing to mow down unarmed civilians with truck bombs over their concern?
Given the overall rabid tone of virulent anti-Americanism in Pakistan, I personally don't trust anyone coming to the US from that country.
They ing hate our guts. Set aside any discussion of how/whether this is deserved, that is a reality that we, and the intelligence/security people we employ must deal with.
Sorry the guy missed his flight, but sussing him out on how/why he hates our country before letting him into the country, does not seem unwarranted, nor unreasonable to me.
he was interrogated about his publicly expressed views, and you seem to be begging the question about this guy hating us.
criticizing US policies isn't equipollent to "hating the US"
"how/why he hates our country before letting him into the country"
who cares? there are plenty of Americans who hate democracy, hate the Cons ution, want to overthrow the govt, "take our country back" and they don't get harassed or intimidated, they get encouraged by the Repugs/VRWC/Fox.
that said, Pakistan has some legit grievances against us. the hatred, if it is that, has been to some extent earned.
gotta say, the notion that all citizens from a particular country should be interrogated before admission to the US based on broadly ascribed at udes is facially ridiculous and notably embarrassing for any American to espouse, imho.
He is also a vehement critic of US drone attacks on his country, vowing to order them shot down if he is Prime Minister and leading an anti-drone protest march last month.Hating the US? I don't think it is too far, given what I have read of his views."Whoever is fighting for their freedom is fighting a jihad," the Guardian quotes Khan saying in what is apparently a line from the Quran. "The people who are fighting in Afghanistan against the foreign occupation are fighting a jihad."
A bit more background:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/ma...anted=all&_r=0
http://insaf.pk/Forum/tabid/53/forum...lt.aspx#136430
While I would have some reservations about the efficacy of questioning him, if it is his first visit, I am not sure I would want to second guess the people responsible.
I would point out that a lot of the people who end up inspiring violence were political/releigious leaders of some sort.
I agree.
I would agree with this as well.
Last edited by RandomGuy; 10-30-2012 at 12:43 PM.
Indeed.
I would point out that the kinds of people we would like screened from entry to the country tend to have publicly expressed views as well.
I will ask you as well.
How do we tell the difference, if not asking them about it?
What makes him different than any other person from parts of the world that Al Qaeda recruits people willing to kill/die?
It is.
Start here:
http://www.pewglobal.org/database/?indicator=1
Filter on to here from 2011:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/22/world/asia/22pew.html
and end up in 2012:
74% Call America an Enemy
I doubt the effectiveness of basically asking "Hey, Mr. Pakistani man. Are you gonna blow something up?" I know that's kinda strawmanish, but it seems to me this is a good case for boots on the ground to watch over the lad.
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