Reply With Quote
OK, I can accept that. I forgot about that method. Must be the long day I had.
Clinton reduced the national debt as percentage of GDP
OK, I can accept that. I forgot about that method. Must be the long day I had.
Soooo.....is normalizing to GDP a better indicator of our debt burden? Id be inclined to say yes.
Debt to GDP is 102.4%
the growth in federal debt is almost completely due to VRWC/Repug policies of "borrow and spend" going back to St Ronnie
(facepalm)
Meh. Sorry, reality can be a tad inconvenient at times for people who live in bubbles.
I dunno. Tying a variable to another variable and expressing that relationship as our debt burden? Maybe. Expressing that relationship as our debt, no.
Typical right-wing LIE: "Democrat-controlled" Congress = increase in national debt.
no mention of:
REPUG Medicare Part D,
REPUG Medicare Advantage,
2 REPUG bogus, botched wars,
REPUG tax cuts for the 1% and corporations.
Here's the HONEST reasons for the debt:
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3490
lol honest. This cbpp hit piece has been destroyed in print so many times that they've produced a new one. It looks just a little bit different. Of course, your confirmation bias feed didn't bring it to you attention. Maybe you can find it on moonbat.org
TB
If Barry is a spending fool, where do you think the huge increase in debt comes from?
lol simpleton. I simply posted to mock your idiotic "analysis", I didnt support the premise that Obama is a spend freak. That's a result of your inability to think critically. Work on that, son.TB
If Barry is a spending fool, where do you think the huge increase in debt comes from?
lol deflection.
TB
Come on, less, give your best shot at YOUR facts, links, etc.
YOUR PEOPLE are LYING that the 23 million unemployed, the ballooning deficit and debt, Benghazi, etc, etc are exclusively, personally Barry's fault. YOU and YOUR PEOPLE have nothing but LIES and SLANDER. Gecko personally has the ethics and integrity of drug addict .
lol @ my people. You don't have a clue who "my people" are outside of what skitters around in your your simplistic, jingoistic sensorium.
lol deflection.
TB
your standard non answer. come on less, woman up and show us your causes for the debt and deficit.
debt ceiling != debt. It's not like government AND debt didn't grow while the ceiling didn't.
Start with WH's link. Get a grownup to read it to you, simpleton.TB
your standard non answer. come on less, woman up and show us your causes for the debt and deficit.
McSweeney makes almost no mention of the $Ts in Repug tax cuts and in Repug military expenditures as contributors to debt and deficit. not serious a serious dude.
Medicare is a problem because the for-profit industry puts profits way above health care delivery.
As always, the tiest possible product for highest possible price. The problem is not fixable due to the power of the health care industry to purchase politicians super cheap.
Medicare for all, aka hard-core public insurance option, and govt-salaried health care providers and facilities (VA for all) is the only answer. health care as a non-profit public utility in compe ion with the for-profit health-care gougers.
Here's Krugman trashing the Gecko/Ryan plan to destroy Medicaid
Medicaid on the Ballot
"For those who get coverage through the program, Medicaid is a much-needed form of financial aid. It is also, quite literally, a lifesaver. Mr. Romney has said that a lack of health insurance doesn't kill people in America; oh yes, it does, and states that expand Medicaid coverage show striking drops in mortality.
So Medicaid does a vast amount of good. But at what cost? There's a widespread perception, gleefully fed by right-wing politicians and propagandists, that Medicaid has "runaway" costs. But the truth is just the opposite. While costs grew rapidly in 2009-10, as a depressed economy made more Americans eligible for the program, the longer-term reality is that Medicaid is significantly better at controlling costs than the rest of our health care system.
How much better? According to the best available estimates, the average cost of health care for adult Medicaid recipients is about 20 percent less than it would be if they had private insurance. The gap for children is even larger.
And the gap has been widening over time: Medicaid costs have consistently risen a bit less rapidly than Medicare costs, and much less rapidly than premiums on private insurance.
How does Medicaid achieve these lower costs? Partly by having much lower administrative costs than private insurers. It's always worth remembering that when it comes to health care, it's the private sector, not government programs, that suffers from stifling, costly bureaucracy.
Also, Medicaid is much more effective at bargaining with the medical-industrial complex.
Consider, for example, drug prices. Last year a government study compared the prices that Medicaid paid for brand-name drugs with those paid by Medicare Part D - also a government program, but one run through private insurance companies, and explicitly forbidden from using its power in the market to bargain for lower prices. The conclusion: Medicaid pays almost a third less on average. That's a lot of money.
Is Medicaid perfect? Of course not. Most notably, the hard bargain it drives with health providers means that quite a few doctors are reluctant to see Medicaid patients. Yet given the problems facing American health care - sharply rising costs and declining private-sector coverage - Medicaid has to be regarded as a highly successful program. It provides good if not great coverage to tens of millions of people who would otherwise be left out in the cold, and as I said, it does much right to keep costs down. "
http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=...&sub=Columnist
lol krugman. lol deflection
McSweeney identified elements that the cbpp literally chose not to include in their enlightened analysis. The cbpp analysis is . Enjoy the delicious sauce.
Agreed. I wasn't making the comment within the context of this thread. I was kinda thinking on the keyboard.
.
TB
the deficit didn't TRIPLE under dubya and the Repugs due to growth in Medicare. McSweeney's a right-wing fool, a shill for cutting the safety net.
CBPP shows all the Repug policy decisions, including the economic crash from VRWC policies of deregulated finance and UNREGULATED deriviatives, exploded the deficit, NOT Medicare (except the additional UNFUNDED REGIUG Medicare expansions like Medicare Advantage (12% more expensive than govt Medicare) and Medicare Part D).
Goddam, you're dumb as .
Since you can't be bothered to examine the underlying data, it's not surprising that you latch on to a piece of moonbat analysis like this. As a simple exercise, look at the total spending 4 Medicaid Medicare and discretionary spending. What's the relationship 2 the cherry picked data from moonbat.org? I'm sure you can't answer this question because if you did you would understand what a piece of garbage that moonbat analysis is. since you've shown a complete and profound inability to think critically, nobody take you serious on this BBS. posting this hit piece and doubling down on it without even a cursory examination of the data, much less the revised chart , shows us exactly what you are. A sad, no content shill for the moonbats at the extreme left fringe.
Now post a smiley and go back to the oblivious comfort of your confirmation bias RSS feed.
ing coward.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
