Kansas St.

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Oregon will finish #2 if they win out due to the conf championship game. And they would destroy Alabama. Nobody can keep up with the Quacks.

[Clipper Nation]

you seem to be a pretty logical poster but I don't get this whole Bill ing Snyder thing. He's a good coach but I have no problem betting against a guy who is 6-7 for his career in bowl games.

Tbh, he deserves the hype... K-State football was Duke status before he got there the first time around and he STAYS coaching up them one-star wide receivers into Heisman quarterbacks, tbh...

[JoeTait75]

As far as Oregon not matching up with "one physical unit" I think Alabama is a whole different breed from what either team has faced either way. So both teams are gonna have a hard time adjusting regardless of who they've played. What Big XII defense even remotely compares to Bama?


I don't think either Oregon/K-State beats Bama but Oregon will atleast give them matchup problems due to their speed/explosiveness. I don't see anyway K-State can give Alabama problems with their matchups

I still don't trust Oregon in games against teams that are physical and play defense. They came close against Auburn but that Auburn team was basically Cam Newton and a bunch of guys, tbh. Alabama is on a whole different level.

I actually think ND would have a puncher's chance against Bama with the way they play defense. I'm not saying they'd beat Bama but they could hang around and make it interesting.

Sentimentally I'd like to see K-State get there because of the way they lost to aTm in 1998. That was an all-time stomach-punch game. I felt sorry for K-State fans after that, tbh.

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I still don't trust Oregon in games against teams that are physical and play defense. They came close against Auburn but that Auburn team was basically Cam Newton and a bunch of guys, tbh. Alabama is on a whole different level.

I actually think ND would have a puncher's chance against Bama with the way they play defense. I'm not saying they'd beat Bama but they could hang around and make it interesting.

Sentimentally I'd like to see K-State get there because of the way they lost to aTm in 1998. That was an all-time stomach-punch game. I felt sorry for K-State fans after that, tbh.

"Cam Newton and a bunch of guys" ended up being the best team in the country that year tbh

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I still don't trust Oregon in games against teams that are physical and play defense. They came close against Auburn but that Auburn team was basically Cam Newton and a bunch of guys, tbh. Alabama is on a whole different level.

I actually think ND would have a puncher's chance against Bama with the way they play defense. I'm not saying they'd beat Bama but they could hang around and make it interesting.

Sentimentally I'd like to see K-State get there because of the way they lost to aTm in 1998. That was an all-time stomach-punch game. I felt sorry for K-State fans after that, tbh.

I used to be on the same boat as everyone else regarding Oregon against physical teams that actually play defense but this year they're a different team. Their offense is less gimmicky and is much better in the passing game while still being just as explosive running the ball, and their defense isn't the massively undersized unit it's been under Chip Kelly that can get gashed but power running teams. I bet a good amount against them in both their OSU rose bowl and Auburn championship game because of how little faith I had in their gimmicky team (I mention that because most other people on Oregon's nuts are Pac-12 homers which I've never been).

I agree w/ you about Notre Dame too. Everyone seems to be waiting for them to crash and burn but with that defense it's never gonna happen. They might have the best front 7 in college football and their secondary has played much better than expected. Only reason why I see Bama possibly whipping them is that Notre Dame's QB seems like the type that won't even survive a quarter against Saban's defense, kinda like your boy Colt McCoy tbh.

[symple19]

Alabama>Oregon>KState>ND

JMO, but I definitely think Oregon gives Bama the best game.

Props to KSU and ND, however. They keep proving me wrong. Wish the playoff was this year

[K-State Spur]

you seem to be a pretty logical poster but I don't get this whole Bill ing Snyder thing.

You would if you knew where KSU was in 1988. Duke status doesn't do it justice, this program was so bad that they were near the point of dropping football and getting kicked out of the Big 8. SI did a feature story calling us "Futility U." When he won his first COY award, Barry Switzer said that based upon K-State's history, Snyder was "Coach of the Century".

The bowl record is the one mark against Snyder - that's fair. I think the two explanations for that are: 1) his teams typically over-perform in the regular season which leads to bowl match-ups against difficult teams, & 2) the strategy advantage that K-State enjoys on a week-to-week basis throughout the year is often somewhat negated when you give the opponent's staff an entire month to prepare for the game.

Given those factors, Bowl Games lead to weird results. Tom Osborne was 12-13 in Bowl Games, including losing 7 in a row at one point. Bob Stoops is just 7-6 (3-5 in BCS games). Steve Spurrier is 8-10. Nick Saban is just 7-6 (0-3 at Michigan State, his only coaching stop that was semi-comparable to K-State in terms of resources/status). Chip Kelly is 1-2. Brian Kelly is 3-2, but that would be 3-3 if you count Cincy's appearance in the Sugar Bowl where they got s acked after he took the ND job.

[K-State Spur]

All that said, I think this discussion has taken off a bit. Each of the 4 undefeateds has multiple loseable games remaining. Much higher chance that nobody finishes undefeated than all 4.

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You would if you knew where KSU was in 1988. Duke status doesn't do it justice, this program was so bad that they were near the point of dropping football and getting kicked out of the Big 8. SI did a feature story calling us "Futility U." When he won his first COY award, Barry Switzer said that based upon K-State's history, Snyder was "Coach of the Century".

The bowl record is the one mark against Snyder - that's fair. I think the two explanations for that are: 1) his teams typically over-perform in the regular season which leads to bowl match-ups against difficult teams, & 2) the strategy advantage that K-State enjoys on a week-to-week basis throughout the year is often somewhat negated when you give the opponent's staff an entire month to prepare for the game.

Given those factors, Bowl Games lead to weird results. Tom Osborne was 12-13 in Bowl Games, including losing 7 in a row at one point. Bob Stoops is just 7-6 (3-5 in BCS games). Steve Spurrier is 8-10. Nick Saban is just 7-6 (0-3 at Michigan State, his only coaching stop that was semi-comparable to K-State in terms of resources/status). Chip Kelly is 1-2. Brian Kelly is 3-2, but that would be 3-3 if you count Cincy's appearance in the Sugar Bowl where they got s acked after he took the ND job.

I feel like a better human being after reading this tbh

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Glass houses. USC & Oregon State losses hurt Pac 12 shot of getting a team into the MNC game more than OU's loss did to KSU.

USC's loss makes Oregon's 49-0 thrashing of Arizona all the more impressive. Arizona has had a late 4th quarter lead every other team its played and with the W becomes a top 25 team, Oregon being able to destroy them looks more significant after them beating USC.
Whether or not you're right, the point was you're a Big-12 homer for thinking Oklahoma was such a sure thing to beat Notre Dame.

I think much of the college football world would agree with you. But in terms of giving Bama a game - do you think Saban would rather play a team who hasn't matched up with one physical unit throughout their schedule

What teams has K-State played that you deem as physical? Oklahoma? West Virginia? Texas Tech? Any team in the Big-12?

If Oregon runs the table they'll have to beat USC and Stanford (USC potentially twice). Compare how Stanford played Notre Dame vs. how Oklahoma did and Stanford doesn't seem any less physical than they are. Oklahoma made Notre Dame's offense look better than it has all year.

with a RS at QB

The RS who has 18 touchdowns and 5 interceptions and is a WAY better passer than what Chip Kelly has had in the past? That RS at QB?

or arguably the most disciplined team in college football led by 5th yr SR Heisman winner at QB, coached by Bill Snyder?

Seeing that Saban's defense knocked the last Heisman candidate QB from the Big 12 out of the national championship game in the 1st quarter, he'd probably love to play against another soft bred Big-12 QB. Oregon has come closer to dethroning the SEC than any other team in recent memory, chances are Saban would rather play against a team from the conference that's been an SEC doormat in major bowl games.

Is Oregon more explosive than KSU? Before you just answer "yeah, duh" - break out the numbers. Per possession, KSU is actually scoring more points than the Ducks. Oregon plays at a no huddle pace, which gives them an average of 15 possessions per game. KState huddles and takes their time between snaps, carefully reading the defense, giving them only 11 possessions per game. Oregon is currently averaging 53 ppg. If you gave KSU 15 possesions, they project to 60 ppg.

Kansas State averages 6.9 yards per snap to Oregon's 6.5 yards per snap.

I would argue that some of the opinions expressed in this thread are based upon last 5 years and not 2012 observations.

Oregon is just as explosive as its ever been. Your points per possession argument ignores the fact Oregon lets off the gas after they're beating teams by 50 at halftime. If Oregon wanted to it could have dropped 90 on Colorado and 70 on Arizona State just as two examples that would more than make up the point differential.

I'm also pretty sure playing at such a quick pace and being able to score with 2-3 minute drives is something that probably makes a team "explosive." The fact they have so many possessions per game speaks to how explosive they are.

The bowl record is the one mark against Snyder - that's fair. I think the two explanations for that are: 1) his teams typically over-perform in the regular season which leads to bowl match-ups against difficult teams, & 2) the strategy advantage that K-State enjoys on a week-to-week basis throughout the year is often somewhat negated when you give the opponent's staff an entire month to prepare for the game.

Sounds like the characteristics of a team that will do well against Alabama.

[K-State Spur]

USC's loss makes Oregon's 49-0 thrashing of Arizona all the more impressive. Arizona has had a late 4th quarter lead every other team its played and with the W becomes a top 25 team, Oregon being able to destroy them looks more significant after them beating USC.
Whether or not you're right, the point was you're a Big-12 homer for thinking Oklahoma was such a sure thing to beat Notre Dame.

I was wrong, but why is that automatically a homer pick? Every major computer picked the same thing, are they all biased towards the Big 12? OU had been rolling the last couple weeks, ND had just eked past a mediocre BYU team. The Irish got better QB play than they had gotten all year and dominated the trenches in a way they hadn't show - kudos to them.

What teams has K-State played that you deem as physical? Oklahoma? West Virginia? Texas Tech? Any team in the Big-12?

ISU is actually really physical. Their offense sucks and they don't defend the spread particularly well, but they play tough.

The RS who has 18 touchdowns and 5 interceptions and is a WAY better passer than what Chip Kelly has had in the past? That RS at QB?

Still a frosh who has seen all of 8 defenses so far - none of them good. Saban would be licking his chops at the various packages he could throw at him.

Oregon is just as explosive as its ever been. Your points per possession argument ignores the fact Oregon lets off the gas after they're beating teams by 50 at halftime. If Oregon wanted to it could have dropped 90 on Colorado and 70 on Arizona State just as two examples that would more than make up the point differential.

My stats don't take that into account correct. However the stats guys who do calculate "non-garbage time" numbers also have KSU's offense right there with Oregon's. You also can't ignore that KSU has their own share of blowouts, Klein & the first team offense has sat out the majority of 5 fourth quarters in their own right.

I'm also pretty sure playing at such a quick pace and being able to score with 2-3 minute drives is something that probably makes a team "explosive." The fact they have so many possessions per game speaks to how explosive they are.

Compared to most teams, sure. Compared to K-State, it just speaks to the pace that they play in between snaps. Once the ball is actually snapped, Wildcat offense has actually been better (thus far, still plenty of time for that to change). Last year, the Nuggets scored more PPG than the Spurs, but the Spurs were better offensively (Efficiency Rating), they just played at a slightly slower pace.

Sounds like the characteristics of a team that will do well against Alabama.

You just kinda threw that statement in there and based it on nothing. Quick pace sounds like the characteristics of a team that will do well against Alabama. ...Okay, why?

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And regardless, I never bet against Bill Snyder. I was there on a cold night in 2003 when he took on an OU team that was widely being referred to as the Greatest Team in College Football History.

The great ing Bill Snyder

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Didn't Oregon get stomped by LSU last year? What makes you think they have a better chance at whatever SEC team they would face in the NC?

I'd rather see what the Cats can do. Collin Klein is a bad mofo and their defense is stout. Snyder > chip kelly

I don't.... K-State has a better defense and a better quarterback, tbh...

I agree!

But in terms of giving Bama a game - do you think Saban would rather play a team who hasn't matched up with one physical unit throughout their schedule with a RS at QB, or arguably the most disciplined team in college football led by 5th yr SR Heisman winner at QB, coached by Bill Snyder?

I think Saban would rather play the team that lost to the other team by 3 possessions

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Bill Brasky Clipper Nation and K-State Spur are gonna avoid this thread like a certain former moderator of this forum avoids a TING family reunion I SAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD DDDD

[Bill_Brasky]

If I was you, I'd be making fun of me for ever praising Collin Klein....not Bill.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If I was you, I'd be making fun of me for ever praising Collin Klein....not Bill.

I'm making fun of you for taking KSU over Oregon.

I wouldn't be making fun of the Bill Snyder praise if it was simply praise, not full on deep throating Wild Cobra style.

[Clipper Nation]

As much as I hate to admit it, I was wrong, the Nike U Willie Lyles are better than K-State, tbh...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Nike U Willie Lyles

[Bill_Brasky]

I'm making fun of you for taking KSU over Oregon.

I wouldn't be making fun of the Bill Snyder praise if it was simply praise, not full on deep throating Wild Cobra style.

Hey man, I was wrong, what can I say. Oregon is better than KSU.

[benefactor]

me
ever thinking KState was legit

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K-State
go to play is their quarterback simply running straight ahead

[Ryan Tsarsis]

K-State Spurs avoiding this thread like I avoid water polo practices i saaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiddddddddddd

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

K-State Spurs avoiding this thread like I avoid water polo practices i saaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiddddddddddd

no one will get this joke

[Clipper Nation]

K-State
go to play is their quarterback simply running straight ahead

Ripping off NIU's ful playcalling