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Clearly this report was manipulated for "their" benefit and no indication of what's really going on.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jobles...123315736.html
Once the official labor report comes out, use this thread as the place to voice your grievances over unemployment statistics being a Liberal conspiracy to swing the election for Obama.
First.
Clearly this report was manipulated for "their" benefit and no indication of what's really going on.
Wall Street jumps 1% on strong labor market data
Stocks jumped 1 percent on Thursday as bullish consumer confidence and private-sector jobs data gave investors reason to cheer following superstorm Sandy's devastating sweep through the U.S. Northeast.
The Dow Jones industrial average rose 136.16 points, or 1.04 percent, to end unofficially at 13,232.62. The S&P 500 gained 15.43 points, or 1.09 percent, to finish unofficially at 1,427.59. The Nasdaq Composite added 42.83 points, or 1.44 percent, to close unofficially at 3,020.06.
http://touch.chicagotribune.com/#sec.../p2p-73100702/
Those Chicago guys will do anything.
I'm surprised our resident conspiracy theorists don't claim the rich manipulated HAARP for this.
Not sure I get this, since this is an excellent report. One would assume if there was a conspiracy theory involving the rich, that they would manipulate it away from being a good report.
@ 7.9% being called "excellent".
Good God do I want companies to start hiring. It is a pain in the ass to only be able to grow my business my selling to new clients; the "easy" growth is when current clients are blowing and growing themselves.
I don't care whose team gets the credit - growth is GOOD! (lesson learned during the Clinton presidency - my income quintupled)
Large number of jobs created, upward revisions to the last two months, workforce participation up.
Progress is a video, not a snapshot.
Try to be smarter than that.
Considering the shape this country was in 4 years ago, yeah, it is.
Sorry the guy you voted for in 2000 and 2004 lowered the bar so much. He gave you a tax cut though so you should still be happy
and Obama has signed that tax cut into law, what, 4 separate times?Considering the shape this country was in 4 years ago, yeah, it is.
Sorry the guy you voted for in 2000 and 2004 lowered the bar so much. He gave you a tax cut though so you should still be happy
One reason I'm not voting for him.
So you are voting for Romney instead!
There can be only one, but that doesn't mean there are only two to choose from.So you are voting for Romney instead!
Neither.So you are voting for Romney instead!
I'm not voting for Romney because his views/ideas are in re ed.
I like Obama's ideas, but he's had 4 years to implement them.
Without any help from congressional republicans, it is.
Many presidents have been able to accomplish goals with legislatures ruled by the opposition.
This one has not. His is a failure, more than anything else, of leadership.
Not necessarily surprising, his bona fides in that regard are, and were, lacking
100Ks of public sector workers have been laid off in Repug states, maybe about 1% of the total unemployement rate. funny how that happens in mainly Repug states
No president has been Black before
No president has been opposed like this since the day he took office before
Ex. Mitch Mcconnell
No president had to face the right wing extremists tea party before
better brush up on your presidential history if you think the first is true
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Tea party politicians like Michele Bachmann are historically extreme politicians. The secretary of state's top aid being accused of membership in the Islamic Brotherhood by someone who was at one point leading the Republican strawpoll when she has a in Jewish son is comparable to the Salem Witch trials.
better brush up on your presidential history if you think the first is true
And
Also, no president has had to deal with millions of people in this country thinking he was born in Kenya, is a Muslim, and didn't actually attend the college he attended. There are plenty of things Obama has faced that no president, at least in recent history, has had to face.
Abraham Lincoln (for starters)... Djohn did not specify "in recent history"
You and I obviously do not share the same definition of "extremism."
What about the millions (sadly) who believe the US (Bush Administration) engineered 9/11? Is that not the same thing as millions of re s thinking Obama was born in a muslim country?
And are you really equating the Salem Witch trials to something Bachmann said? How many people died as a result of the Bachmann statements? History is littered with dumbass politicians who say incredibly stupid things.
From an historical perspective, Obama is not unique in anything other than being black (broadly speaking). Many, many other presidents have faced the same types of questions, doubts, and partisan attacks from fringe groups (which is how I would classify the Tea Party.)
My guess is, Djohn meant recent history. Everyone knows how ed up pre-WWII America was.
No, it's not at all. Bush never had to prove his innocence because the only people who believe he engineered 9/11 are tin-foil hat wearing troofers no one takes seriously. That's a conspiracy theory every president would face if 9/11 happened under their watch. Just as an example, there are re s in this country who think Obama used weather modification to engineer hurricane sandy, but that's not something I consider particular to Obama. There is a handful of people in this country who shout conspiracy whenever they possibly can.
The birther movement went far beyond bat conspiracy no one took seriously.
Bachmann accusing Abedin of being a member of the Muslim Brotherhood plotting to destroy America isn't some regular stupid thing politicians say. Maybe no one died because of what Bachmann said, but countless hate crimes against Muslims have been committed in this country recently because of the Republican party's witch hunt against Islamic people. It's the same radical movement as the red scare. I consider both examples of a witch hunt.
How many other presidents had to produce a birth certificate because people doubted the fact they were born in America?
How many other presidents were interrupted in their state of the union address because an opposing politician had such little respect for the president that he felt like shouting "liar!" in the middle of his speech?
The fervent hate Obama has faced from mainstream Republicans is by no means standard or non-extreme. The Republican party, especially tea-baggers, has made it clear that getting Obama out of office is a higher priority for them than rebuilding America.
Okay. It's still not what he said, and don't be so sure that everyone knows how ed up it was back in the day
How? How did it affect policy?The birther movement went far beyond bat conspiracy no one took seriously.
Witch hunt is fine, comparing it to the Salem Witch Trials as you did, is not.Bachmann accusing Abedin of being a member of the Muslim Brotherhood plotting to destroy America isn't some regular stupid thing politicians say. Maybe no one died because of what Bachmann said, but countless hate crimes against Muslims have been committed in this country recently because of the Republican party's witch hunt against Islamic people. It's the same radical movement as the red scare. I consider both examples of a witch hunt.
None. I wasn't being specific, merely speaking in broad terms. How did this affect policy or his presidency?How many other presidents had to produce a birth certificate because people doubted the fact they were born in America?
In a specific instance? None. Again, you can take specific things and be right all day, I'm speaking in general.How many other presidents were interrupted in their state of the union address because an opposing politician had such little respect for the president that he felt like shouting "liar!" in the middle of his speech?
So there was no fervent hate for Dubya?The fervent hate Obama has faced from mainstream Republicans is by no means standard or non-extreme. The Republican party, especially tea-baggers, has made it clear that getting Obama out of office is a higher priority for them than rebuilding America.
Good point. The average American has no idea how ed up American History is, especially prior to Lincoln. It just seemed like he said, "No president....ever" broadly and didn't mean it literally.
Because it gained enough steam that he had to supply a birth certificate to shut it up. Bush never had to address the troofer movement because it was never more than a bat conspiracy theory.
It's hard to say definitively yes or no. You can't point to something and say the birther movement directly affected it, but it made Obama appear weak. Weak presidents have a harder time pushing legislation. This is largely Obama's fault coming in without the tools to deal with the opposition, but I don't think he had any idea he'd have to seriously address the subject of him being born in Kenya.
Labeling something as a witch hunt is a comparison to the Salem Witch trials in and of itself.
When did it affecting his policy become part of the discussion? Like I said, it's hard to say how/if it affected his policy, but it sent the message that Obama was some kind of illegitimate president the other side didn't need to take seriously and could refuse to negotiate with. Passing legislation is probably harder when you also have to deal with others questioning the legitimacy of your presidency.
There were certain demonstrations of disrespect shown to Obama no other modern-American president has endured. Having to show a birth certificate is an example.
Not to the extent there is to Obama. The Democrats never did things to disrespect the presidency the way the GOP has with Obama. There was definitely hate, but there was always respect. Democratic politicians didn't question the fact he was president or deliberately try to sabotage him. I personally think Harry Reid and Pelosi did a horrible job by being so willing to compromise and work with Bush. I would have preferred they showed him the same animosity Republicans have shown Obama.So there was no fervent hate for Dubya?
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