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Kevin Martin is also not a playmaker like Harden was... guys like Collison are going to miss him a lot... Martin is more of a off-the-curl, spot up shooter type of scorer... he can't create for himself or others like Harden can...
Why didn't OKC keep Harden? Big deal spending a few million more, he was their second best player.
Kevin Martin is also not a playmaker like Harden was... guys like Collison are going to miss him a lot... Martin is more of a off-the-curl, spot up shooter type of scorer... he can't create for himself or others like Harden can...
You were implying that they turn the ball over a lot because Kevin Martin is on the team. They've always turned the ball over a lot. Yeah, it could always get worse, but I don't see it getting any worse in a general sense. 20 is worse. THat's 1 game though.How is that wrong? Just because they led the league in TO's last year does not mean they can't get worse (or at least less efficient even if the average does not change).
So they are worse so far in the TO department with Martin - so I was right so far....I explained why early on you might see more TO's due to the Harden trade.
So can we call this trade the OKC Blunder?
Sure he can. I've seen him create for himself plenty. He isn't shoving it down guys throats at the rim, but as Ive stated before, Martin is near the top year in and year out in FT attempts. If all you do is spot up and shoot you don't get to the line as often as Martin does. In fact - here's a fact for you: Kevin Martin has shot AS MANY free throws per minute played this season than James Harden. Hmmm..
Because Presti extended Porkins before he even suited up for the Thunder and he gave Ibaka big money first?
Remember how crap the Spurs bench play was when Manu was out the first two games? That's the exact same scenario here, except that Harden's not coming back.
Short answer: yes.
They averaged 16 last year. THey are averaging 16 this year. I Don't know what to tell you. It's 3 damn games.
So I'd like someone to tell me why Kevin Martin is getting to the line this season as much as James Harden? I thought Martin was just a spot up shooter than never created any offense..?
I've never disputed Martin's ability to put the ball in the hoop. What he lacks is in playmaking and defense. He makes Harden look like Bruce Bowen in terms of relative defensive impact, tbh
Because you keep confusing "getting to the line" with "play maker". They aren't the same thing. When someone runs around like Martin and is a good shooter, he is able to draw contact and get to the line because you are chasing him around, trying to run him off his spots...Martin is exceptionally good at that, but he is not a play maker. Now Durant and WB have to be. They lost that part of their dynamic offense when Harden was moved.
Defense, I don't know. He hasn't stood out one way or another to me yet. Playmaking...my point is he gets to the line a lot. That's a playmaker to me. Some people act liek the guy just stands around and shoots. He doesn't. He drives, creates off the dribble, everything Harden does. As well? Maybe not quite as. He's different, but he's still a playmaker. High volume FT shooters are either great playmakers or big guys that just get hacked down low. Martin is consistently top tier in the league in FT attempts and he's not a big man.
No. A playmaker is a guy that creates his own shot or draws so much attention handling the ball that creates opportunities for others. Kevin Martin is neither of that.
He can get a pass off a curl and get fouled going to the rim (and you'll see a lot of that from him). Did he create the shot? No. Is he getting freebies? Sure. Completely different things.
Yeah, he's different. I still think he's a playmaker. Not equal or in the same manner as Harden, but I think he'll fill that role well. He's in a different situation now in his career. He's coming off the bench and expected to do different things. He had 6 assists to 1 TO the other night. I think he's good at taking what's given to him, whether that be assisting teammates or shooting open shots. We'll see. I'm liking what I see at this point, numbers aside. He's playing well. Again, OKC's losses this year are just due to the same ole Ive seen them do a lot in the past.
Well, good luck. The biggest issues with Martin are health, chucking and quitting on the team sooner or later. If none of those happens while in OKC, then you luckied out.
OKC could have easily made room
Guess that means Vlade Divac was the best playmaker in the history of the NBA
Martin is one of the best in terms of "emtpy stats."
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Well, all you do is add little 5 word juvenile comments to the discussion. That pretty much shows the limit of your intellectual capacity and ability to carry on a conversation.
Please...try reading. I said if a guy is getting to the FT line a LOT and consistently year after year,he's either a playmaker or a big man. Vlade would be a big man. FT shooting isn't the only prerequisite to being a playmaker, but in MY opinion if a guy is able to get to the line a lot, he's more of a playmaker than simply a spot up jump shooter.
Guess that means Vlade Divac was the best playmaker in the history of the NBA
It's a partial indicator of one's basketball style. Some have argued here that Martin is simply a spot up shooter. I disagree. He had 19 pts and 6 assists against Portland. I'd call that making plays. Either way, that's my stance on the Martin situation.
Every conversation you have here goes like this...you say something, you get called on, you backpedal...rinse, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.
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