Fox News is golden

[DPG21920]

I don't know, Nono. I do not think the average Joe really understands the economy. They may be able to spout off "the economy is in bad shape", but beyond that the conversations are probably limited. You start a convo about abortion and gay marriage and the masses turn into world class debaters.

[ElNono]

I don't know, Nono. I do not think the average Joe really understands the economy. They may be able to spout off "the economy is in bad shape", but beyond that the conversations are probably limited. You start a convo about abortion and gay marriage and the masses turn into world class debaters.

I think you're underestimating the average Joe. Not saying there's no low-information people out there. I also would agree that perhaps in the macro level, there's less depth than on the micro level when it comes to economic talk and what the solutions should be to attack the "economy is in bad shape". At the same time, I do think the average joe is less likely to buy the "trickle down" zinger as a real economic solution than in the past.

All that said, I would agree the other topics are more opinion/moral based and less technical, thus perhaps easier to discuss.

[LnGrrrR]

Tbh, if people have valid reasons for feeling that way, wouldn't it be more productive to stay and try to change it?

"Doomed" implies a lack of hope, and that nothing one can do can avert its course. I don't mind people who think that we're on the wrong path, but it pisses me off when drama queens say stuff like, "In 2016 we won't even recognize America!!!!" because these are the same idiots who said that in 2008.

[LnGrrrR]

The overall point on this one I think has some merit (to which degree I am not sure). Those other issues (which I agree are definitely important) seem to be much more important to the "common person" than the economy. Things like gay marriage, abortion.... seem to be much more of a deciding factor than the economy. Whether that's because most of it is religious based and the roots religion has in our country or because it's simply easier to debate and understand those topics vs. having to understand the global economy and ways to fix our national debt, I am not sure, but that point to me seems valid.

I think the very fact that dumb doesn't understand that people vote on social reasons too explains why Republicans lost the last two elections. And it's probably easier for a President to enact social change than it is to affect the economy in a way that will make himself easily visible as a catalyst for that change.

[LnGrrrR]

Honestly, the Republican party is ed. Instead of taking a step back and think about their positions, they're just spewing all the inane ideas listed above (Obama won because of Sandy!). And you can see how out of touch with reality they are by the fact that they thought Romney would win in a landslide.

[DPG21920]

Sure - but that goes exactly to the point she was making: People care about the "softer" issues (for lack of a better term) more than the economy which is why you get the messaging that you do. The softer issues are very important, but the economy is the number one concern and should be the number one focus, even if it is less visible. Hopefully that turns out to be the case for Rd. 2.

[boutons_deux]

Kilmeade on Sandy voters: America is ‘the shallowest country in the history of man’




Fox News co-host Brian Kilmeade on Wednesday complained that the United States was the “shallowest country in the history of man” because exit polls showed that people considered Hurricane Sandy an important factor in the presidential race.

On the morning after President Barack Obama won re-election, Fox & Friends co-host Steve Doocy noted that Hurricane Sandy had been the “October surprise,” with 42 percent of people saying that the storm response was an important issue and 15 percent saying it was the most important issue.

“I can’t believe those numbers,” co-host Gretchen Carlson said, throwing up her arms.

“Then we are the shallowest country in the history of man,” Kilmeade concluded. “One photo op [of President Obama] walking over a two-by-four and all the sudden he’s handling a storm, which by the way, hasn’t been handled well!”

Raw Story (http://s.tt/1srJb)

gotdamn, Fox is full of bags. That's the Merde-dok touch, he turns everything to .

[Clipper Nation]

Meltdown
Ignoring the idiots who voted Willard because of his hair

[LnGrrrR]

Sure - but that goes exactly to the point she was making: People care about the "softer" issues (for lack of a better term) more than the economy which is why you get the messaging that you do. The softer issues are very important, but the economy is the number one concern and should be the number one focus, even if it is less visible. Hopefully that turns out to be the case for Rd. 2.

If I had any faith in Romney to turn around our economy, I might've voted for him. But when you say you won't raise taxes no matter what (and will in fact cut them), you'll raise military spending, you will balance the budget (without saying what spending you'd cut)... well, it's pretty much a wash at that point compared to Obama's plan. So then other things take over, as ElNoNo pointed out above.

Honestly, did a great majority of people think Romney would've helped the middle class moreso than Obama? How many people are still holding onto the belief of trickle-down?

[LnGrrrR]

Republicans being whiny bags is just because they're scared, because they have no clue how Romney couldn't have won. They can't imagine how Obama could've won. Until they figure that out, they'll be in the wilderness.

[DarrinS]

Republicans being whiny bags is just because they're scared, because they have no clue how Romney couldn't have won. They can't imagine how Obama could've won. Until they figure that out, they'll be in the wilderness.

Actually, Romney was never a strong candidate. He was the "default" candidate -- the most normal candidate from that freak show GOP primary field. I said from day one that Obama could beat him (IIRC, baseline bum thought just the opposite).

Romney's campaign was all but dead in July/August, but then came the first debate and suddenly Romney seemed reasonable and Obama looked tired and uninterested. Romney got major momentum from that and closed the gap at the polls. Suddenly, there was a false glimmer of hope that Romney might actually make it compe ive, but it was too little, too late. Combine that with Obama's get-out-the-human-cattle voting machine, and you get what we saw last night.

[clambake]

human cattle? your state would have voted for a floating turd shaped like an R.

[LnGrrrR]

Actually, Romney was never a strong candidate. He was the "default" candidate -- the most normal candidate from that freak show GOP primary field. I said from day one that Obama could beat him (IIRC, baseline bum thought just the opposite).

Romney's campaign was all but dead in July/August, but then came the first debate and suddenly Romney seemed reasonable and Obama looked tired and uninterested. Romney got major momentum from that and closed the gap at the polls. Suddenly, there was a false glimmer of hope that Romney might actually make it compe ive, but it was too little, too late. Combine that with Obama's get-out-the-human-cattle voting machine, and you get what we saw last night.

Darrin, that's because you're not an insane Republican. Just look at any red website... RedState, NationalReview, etc etc. Many of them predicated landslides, and are now resorting to straws to explain the victory (Sandy! Benghazi! Takers!).

[Clipper Nation]

Actually, Romney was never a strong candidate. He was the "default" candidate -- the most normal candidate from that freak show GOP primary field.

Willard's "normal" to you?

[ElNono]

Actually, Romney was never a strong candidate. He was the "default" candidate -- the most normal candidate from that freak show GOP primary field. I said from day one that Obama could beat him (IIRC, baseline bum thought just the opposite).

Romney's campaign was all but dead in July/August, but then came the first debate and suddenly Romney seemed reasonable and Obama looked tired and uninterested. Romney got major momentum from that and closed the gap at the polls. Suddenly, there was a false glimmer of hope that Romney might actually make it compe ive, but it was too little, too late. Combine that with Obama's get-out-the-human-cattle voting machine, and you get what we saw last night.

While I agree he was a weak candidate, I suspect we disagree on why he was a weak candidate... and therein lies the rub, imo

[DarrinS]

Darrin, that's because you're not an insane Republican. Just look at any red website... RedState, NationalReview, etc etc. Many of them predicated landslides, and are now resorting to straws to explain the victory (Sandy! Benghazi! Takers!).

They have egg on their faces. I was surprised that Michael Barone predicted a landslide. He's a pretty smart guy.

[LnGrrrR]

DarrinS, that's because they're divorced from reality. At least you get into the fray with us here, they sit in their echo chamber. Just look at the reasons why they lost listed here:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner

Read Morris's explanation and how insane it is:

In 2012, 13% of the vote was cast by blacks. In 04, it was 11%. This year, 10% was Latino. In ‘04 it was 8%. This time, 19% was cast by voters under 30 years of age. In ‘04 it was 17%. Taken together, these results swelled the ranks of Obama’s three-tiered base by five to six points, accounting fully for his victory. I derided the media polls for their assumption of what did, in fact happen: That blacks, Latinos, and young people would show up in the same numbers as they had in 2008. I was wrong. They did.
But the more proximate cause of my error was that I did not take full account of the impact of hurricane Sandy and of Governor Chris Christie’s bipartisan march through New Jersey arm in arm with President Obama. Not to mention Christe’s fawning promotion of Obama’s presidential leadership. It made all the difference.

So 6% of the voters turned out for Obama because of Sandy. Right, I'm sure that was it.

And of course, what will Obama do? Europeanize America! Weaken our national standing! Turn America socialist! Maybe if Republicans stopped with the rhetoric, then Americans might be more likely to listen.

[Ashy Larry]

Will Christie suffer some backlash due to his response to Obama's Sandy assistance? I've heard it will hurt him as that is a no no in the GOP.

It shouldn't .... the fat man had the balls to say policies and politics, we just got donkey-stomped by Sandy. When he said that , you could see those hosts at Fox just cringing and saying "oh ." If anything, it shows that he may have a little something. Too bad the GOP still live in the 40s, 50s and 60s .........

[scott]

Fox News now afraid America will be "getting all potted up" after Marijuana laws pass in CO and WA.

http://jezebel.com/5958575/fox--frie...ium=socialflow

[Ashy Larry]

Fox News now afraid America will be "getting all potted up" after Marijuana laws pass in CO and WA.

http://jezebel.com/5958575/fox--frie...ium=socialflow

I saw that ....... they same people who can get drunk and get behind the wheel ...... like I said - living in the 40s, 50s and 60s. Legalize it, tax it and regulate it. You always hear about people coming home drunk and beat the out of their wives and kids. You rarely hear about to weed head doing that because he's either passed out and eating.

[LnGrrrR]

I can't wait for conservative heads to explode when they have to side either with state's rights for marijuana or side with the Drug War against marijuana... should be awesome.

[boutons_deux]

other "gold":

5 Unhinged Right-Wing Reactions to Romney’s Defeat


After the big night, much of the country is celebrating another four years. But some are struggling to cope with the loss of their candidate. Perhaps they should consider mourning outside of the eye of the public.

1. Melodramatic Social Media Users Declare “America died”

In case you were preoccupied with the news of the presidential election, you may have missed the other breaking news story that “America died” last night. At least, that’s some of the wildly hyperbolic claims that were flying around the social media stratosphere last night, as Republican voters took to Twitter to mourn over their vanquished candidate.

Some of the tweets were merely melodramatic, such the claim [3] “A thousand years of darkness begins tonight.”

Yet others were downright terrifying. One man declared [3] that he is “Loadin up on guns, gas, mudgrips, and some Copenhagen to prepare for the next four years.”

2. Fox News Blames the Media Bias

The most biased network of all is now taking mainstream journalists to task for being too mean to Mitt Romney during the campaign. After Obama easily captured the electoral college, a Fox News editorial declared, [4] “If, in celebrating his victory Obama wanted to give credit where credit is due, he might want to think about calling some of America's top journalists, since their favorable approach almost certainly made the difference between victory and defeat.”

How did the mainstream media manage to pull off such a resounding victory for Obama? According to the editorial writer Rich Noyes, the research director for the Media Research Center, these journalists were too effective at exposing the real agenda of the GOP ticket.

Noyes takes the media to task for its extensive coverage of Romney’s now infamous “47% video,” which he complains was a mere “gaffe” rather than an essential preview of the way the Romney-Ryan ticket would have sought to decimate the safety net programs that are essential for millions of Americans.

Meanwhile, he was none too happy with those pesky female debate moderators, ABC’s Martha Raddatz and CNN’s Candy Crowley, who actually decided to moderate the debates rather than merely allow the candidates to spew lies.

All in all, it sounds like Fox News is mad at journalists for doing their jobs, but that should come as no surprise from a network that hasn’t embraced the same standards for journalistic integrity.

3. The National Review Claims Americans Are “Not Equipped” for Liberty

In perhaps the most offensive post-election article, a National Review reporter claimed that Obama’s victory demonstrates that Americans do not deserve democracy.

“The lessons of Ohio are that Barack Obama is a skillful demagogue, that the ancients were wise to number envy among the deadly sins, and that offering Americans a check is a more fruitful political strategy than offering them the opportunity to take control of and responsibility for their own lives,” wrote Kevin D Williamson. [5]“This is what Oakeshott had in mind when he wrote that liberty was something that many people simply are not equipped to “enjoy as an opportunity rather than suffer as a burden.”

This disparaging argument that Americans are not willing to take responsibility for their own lives simply because they don’t want to vote for a candidate who threatens to gut and privatize the government has been a mainstay argument of the Romney-Ryan ticket throughout the campaign season. But arguing that his defeat shows that Americans don’t even deserve democracy--that’s taking voter disenfranchisement to the whole next level.

4. Viva La Revolution!

Donald Trump was so incensed with the outcome of last night’s election that he called for a “revolution” and a massive march on Washington.

“Let’s fight like and stop this great and disgusting injustice. The world is laughing at us,” he wrote. [6]

In fact, the majority of the initial reactions around the world were positive [7], but many began laughing at Trump himself as he continued to agitate for a national upheaval.

“We can’t let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!” he cried.

Perhaps he was still bitter about his “October Surprise” flop.


5. Outright Denial

Perhaps no one took Romney’s defeat harder than GOP boss Karl Rove, who picked a fight with the news staff of Fox News itself for calling Ohio for Obama. Fox called Ohio for Obama just after 11 pm EST after 20 percent of the vote had been counted, which was too early for Rove, whose Super PAC American Crossroads provided much of the funding for the Romney campaign.

“I think this is premature…” Rove said on air as he criticized the news staff of his own station.

As the debate continued on live TV, dead silence filled the news station.

“Well, that’s awkward,” Fox anchor Megyn Kelly finally said.


http://www.alternet.org/election-201...romneys-defeat

[Ashy Larry]

2. Fox News Blames the Media Bias

The most biased network of all is now taking mainstream journalists to task for being too mean to Mitt Romney during the campaign. After Obama easily captured the electoral college, a Fox News editorial declared, [4] “If, in celebrating his victory Obama wanted to give credit where credit is due, he might want to think about calling some of America's top journalists, since their favorable approach almost certainly made the difference between victory and defeat.”

How did the mainstream media manage to pull off such a resounding victory for Obama? According to the editorial writer Rich Noyes, the research director for the Media Research Center, these journalists were too effective at exposing the real agenda of the GOP ticket.

Noyes takes the media to task for its extensive coverage of Romney’s now infamous “47% video,” which he complains was a mere “gaffe” rather than an essential preview of the way the Romney-Ryan ticket would have sought to decimate the safety net programs that are essential for millions of Americans.

Meanwhile, he was none too happy with those pesky female debate moderators, ABC’s Martha Raddatz and CNN’s Candy Crowley, who actually decided to moderate the debates rather than merely allow the candidates to spew lies.

All in all, it sounds like Fox News is mad at journalists for doing their jobs, but that should come as no surprise from a network that hasn’t embraced the same standards for journalistic integrity.

Mic e Malkin

[LnGrrrR]

Really, for all the whining about how Democrats were poor sports in 2004, Republicans sure don't seem to mind being poor sports today.

[ploto]

Fox News now afraid America will be "getting all potted up" after Marijuana laws pass in CO and WA.

Someone I know wrote on his FB that after last night, the US morals are down the tube. I assumed he would go on to talk about gay marriage or abortion, but no, it was all about marijuana.