Is it ever OK to slap a woman?

[DMC]

I don't have any.

Fortunately for them they have control over whether or not they receive those consequences and therefore how readily available they are is irrelevant.

So you are saying that a woman controls your actions.

Yes, as an adult you have to assess the risk of the actions you're about to choose. I expect the same from my equal female counterpart.

So you will assess the risk to responding to a bigger male, but not the decency in hitting a female?

Sounds like a child that can't control their actions and doesn't know how to express themselves. Wow you really do view women as children.

No, I view them as women. Some of you spent too much time shooting fake soldiers online to have ever developed the masculine quality of an alpha male.

I'm guessing you're in your early to mid 20's. People that age tend to think everyone is trying to run over them and they don't temper their response, they just lash out because "it's my right". Sure you have the right to respond and hit a woman, but that doesn't mean you should and as you age and mature, you will probably see it that way as well.

[DPG21920]

So then you would not hit a man with a woman's physical strength ^

[DMC]

So then you would not hit a man with a woman's physical strength ^

Probably not unless I had no choice. Men, regardless of their physical strength, are more aggressive than women.

But there's two different sets of reasons at work here: 1 that says I will not hit a woman, and one that says I don't need to hit a weak man. I have nothing to prove, and beating up a weak man does nothing for me. Hitting a woman is out of the question.

[DMC]

Let's say a 90 year old man slaps you because you did something to offend him. Would you hit him back? If not, why? Didn't he choose the consequence when he hit you?

[Nathan89]

So you are saying that a woman controls your actions.

So you will assess the risk to responding to a bigger male, but not the decency in hitting a female?

No, I view them as women. Some of you spent too much time shooting fake soldiers online to have ever developed the masculine quality of an alpha male.

I'm guessing you're in your early to mid 20's. People that age tend to think everyone is trying to run over them and they don't temper their response, they just lash out because "it's my right". Sure you have the right to respond and hit a woman, but that doesn't mean you should and as you age and mature, you will probably see it that way as well.

No, I'm saying they won't suffer the consequences of being hit if their actions don't ask for it.

Of course I will assess the risk of hitting someone larger than me. I presume any intelligent adult would do the same. I would like to think women are intelligent adults. Therefore if they hit me I will assume they assessed the risk and are willing to suffer the consequences.

You treat them as children and your words describing them are comparable to how most would describe children. If treating women like children is a characteristic of an alpha male then I don't want to be an alpha male. I'm not saying you should beat the out of them but you should respond with hit that has slightly more force than the one they gave you. Then proceed to restrain them if possible or walk away. This is an appropriate measure to take to break a bad habit that women have these days. With "alpha male" tactics they will continue to hit people in the future.

[Nathan89]

Let's say a 90 year old man slaps you because you did something to offend him. Would you hit him back? If not, why? Didn't he choose the consequence when he hit you?

Comparing women to a senile old man.

[DMC]

Comparing women to a senile old man.

You cannot maintain a stance.

1. You will hit women because they hit you first
2. It's they who make the choice to suffer the consequences (in this case you hitting them).
3. It doesn't matter than the woman is weaker (see #2).
4. You admit you would think twice about retaliation if a more dominant man hit you.


Because of #s 1 and 3, it's established that you do not weigh the strength of the individual who hits you when you decide to hit back, unless that individual is obviously stronger than you. Ergo you will hit a weaker person because of #2.

There seems to be a conflict between #4 and #2. They cannot both be true. If you think twice before deciding, then it's not they who make the choice, it's you. If it's they who make the choice to be hit, then #4 is invalid and you should automatically hit anyone who hits you first, elderly, larger man, smaller man, woman, child as it's not your choice who you hit.

Ergo, if a 90 year old man hits you, according to your somewhat inconsistent reasoning, you would hit them back because it's they who choose to suffer the consequences of hitting someone.

Don't try to dodge that by feigning amusement at the logic I'm handily stuffing up your lily white ass.

[DMC]

No, I'm saying they won't suffer the consequences of being hit if their actions don't ask for it.

I address this below. Thanks for reinforcing your view though. It will make it harder for you to continue along this line of reasoning without getting off into a "you mad" tangent.

Of course I will assess the risk of hitting someone larger than me. I presume any intelligent adult would do the same. I would like to think women are intelligent adults. Therefore if they hit me I will assume they assessed the risk and are willing to suffer the consequences.

Thanks again. Your admission here that it's you who makes the choice flies directly in the face of your statement just prior to this.

You treat them as children and your words describing them are comparable to how most would describe children.

Since you don't have children, you probably are just speaking hypothetically. I have doled out punishment to a child of mine for reasons of lessons and prevention. If you think hitting a woman is for the same thing, you're just adding fuel to the already blazing "I cannot think clearly" fire.

If treating women like children is a characteristic of an alpha male then I don't want to be an alpha male.

Alpha male isn't something you seek to become. It's a trait you either are or you are not. Alpha males don't need to even say they are, and I don't mean the roided dip s with their caps on backwards and a sleeveless Billabong shirt who've mastered facebook poses.

I'm not saying you should beat the out of them but you should respond with hit that has slightly more force than the one they gave you.

Now you are saying you have the control. Why not hit them how you would a man? Why the exception with the use of force? Your logic is a house of cards and it's falling.

Then proceed to restrain them if possible or walk away. This is an appropriate measure to take to break a bad habit that women have these days. With "alpha male" tactics they will continue to hit people in the future.

Would you restrain an man if possible and walk away? You've already admitted to having a double standard. From here it's just a matter of degree.

I want to conclude with this: If you think an angry woman is more reasonable than a senile old man, you've not lived with one very long.

[Avante]

The bottom line is any man cool with slapping/bulling women is a ing punk and needs his ass kicked.

[DMC]

The bottom line is any man cool with slapping/bulling women is a ing punk and needs his ass kicked.

He's not talking about bullying, stop building strawmen. He's talking about retaliation. It's not ok to retaliate against a woman for many reasons, not the least of which is that their bodies are much more delicate than ours. Unless you have no options, you will always come out ahead if you do not hit a woman back, always.

[Avante]

He's not talking about bullying, stop building strawmen. He's talking about retaliation. It's not ok to retaliate against a woman for many reasons, not the least of which is that their bodies are much more delicate than ours. Unless you have no options, you will always come out ahead if you do not hit a woman back, always.

What guy hangs around women who could kick his ass? Most all of us have a woman we have to open the catsup bottle for. Yep, you never hit/slap/punch a woman unless its a very strange situation.

[DMC]

What guy hangs around women who could kick his ass? Most all of us have a woman we have to open the catsup bottle for. Yep, you never hit/slap/punch a woman unless its a very strange situation.

The question wasn't "would it ever happen?" but "if it did".

[Nathan89]

You cannot maintain a stance.

1. You will hit women because they hit you first
2. It's they who make the choice to suffer the consequences (in this case you hitting them).
3. It doesn't matter than the woman is weaker (see #2).
4. You admit you would think twice about retaliation if a more dominant man hit you.


Because of #s 1 and 3, it's established that you do not weigh the strength of the individual who hits you when you decide to hit back, unless that individual is obviously stronger than you. Ergo you will hit a weaker person because of #2.

There seems to be a conflict between #4 and #2. They cannot both be true. If you think twice before deciding, then it's not they who make the choice, it's you. If it's they who make the choice to be hit, then #4 is invalid and you should automatically hit anyone who hits you first, elderly, larger man, smaller man, woman, child as it's not your choice who you hit.

Ergo, if a 90 year old man hits you, according to your somewhat inconsistent reasoning, you would hit them back because it's they who choose to suffer the consequences of hitting someone.

Don't try to dodge that by feigning amusement at the logic I'm handily stuffing up your lily white ass.

I would weigh the strength of a weaker person in regards to how much force I put into the consequences. If the person is stronger than me I'm not in a position to dish out consequences. So number 2 has the caveat of me being capable of providing the consequences.

Variables to consider before hitting a 90yo is that they have a good chance of being senile. Also hitting them not going teach them a lesson that will prevent them from hitting other people for the next 30+ years.

[DMC]

I would weigh the strength of a weaker person in regards to how much force I put into the consequences. If the person is stronger than me I'm not in a position to dish out consequences.

Which means not dishing out consequences is also an option.

So number 2 has the caveat of me being capable of providing the consequences.

You can always hit back. You might get your ass kicked but that doesn't mean you cannot return fire unless you are simply incapacitated (knocked the out).

Variables to consider before hitting a 90yo is that they have a good chance of being senile. Also hitting them not going teach them a lesson that will prevent them from hitting other people for the next 30+ years.

So then you are treating the woman like a child by trying to teach her lessons she can use in the next 30 years. You're therefore mentoring her.

It also means you have the choice on doling out consequences, so why pretend you don't have that choice when the target is a weaker person?

You either treat her like a man or you treat her like a woman. If you do not differentiate, you probably should not be around too many women to begin with.

[Avante]

The question wasn't "would it ever happen?" but "if it did".

Actually there is no reason ever to "slap" a woman. If you are being attack, like she has some weapon you are going to knock her on her ass. So no on ever slapping a woman.

[DMC]

Actually there is no reason ever to "slap" a woman. If you are being attack, like she has some weapon you are going to knock her on her ass. So no on ever slapping a woman.

Someone should have slapped your mother when you crawled out of that rancid gaping maw between her legs.

[Nathan89]

Now you are saying you have the control. Why not hit them how you would a man? Why the exception with the use of force? Your logic is a house of cards and it's falling.

Would you restrain an man if possible and walk away? You've already admitted to having a double standard. From here it's just a matter of degree.

I want to conclude with this: If you think an angry woman is more reasonable than a senile old man, you've not lived with one very long.

Because most of my reasoning for hitting a women it to give them what they should get for those actions. With a hopeful goal that they will stop hitting men in the future. If I'm hitting a guy it's going to be more for protection and I would therefore try to hit with a different force.

Probably.

Women only do this because of people like you that let them get away with it.

[Avante]

Someone should have slapped your mother when you crawled out of that rancid gaping maw between her legs.

You will never out grow that silly junior high bull will you? Then you wonder why I'd see you as some ing redneck shooting whatever moved just for kicks. Dude, there are tons of kids here save that stupid bull for them, ok?

[DMC]

Because most of my reasoning for hitting a women it to give them what they should get for those actions. With a hopeful goal that they will stop hitting men in the future. If I'm hitting a guy it's going to be more for protection and I would therefore try to hit with a different force.

Probably.

Women only do this because of people like you that let them get away with it.

Proof that you treat women like a parent treats a child, doling out punishment based on the actions of the child for corrective measures.

[DMC]

You will never out grow that silly junior high bull will you? Then you wonder why I'd see you as some ing redneck shooting whatever moved just for kicks. Dude, there are tons of kids here save that stupid bull for them, ok?

I haven't wondered anything about you, fat ass.

[redzero]

Proof that you treat women like a parent treats a child, doling out punishment based on the actions of the child for corrective measures.

Parents aren't the only ones who do that, and that's not a bad thing.

[Nathan89]

Parents aren't the only ones who do that, and that's not a bad thing.

Based on the premise that only children get taught lessons he convinced himself that I treat women as children. In reality he believes women are incapable of emotional self regulation.

[DMC]

Based on the premise that only children get taught lessons he convinced himself that I treat women as children. In reality he believes women are incapable of emotional self regulation.

Let's go back a few posts to the point where you came into the thread:

The woman is the stupid puppy that doesn't know any better...right? Damn shame you see women as someone that need to be protected from the consequences of their actions. Why do you treat women like children?

This was the first mention of treating women like children. You claim that I treat women like children because I do not strike back, as if that means I don't hold them accountable. They can be accountable without being hit. I could easily file charges on a woman who went overboard and assaulted me. I could do a number of things. Hitting back is a gut reaction that you just don't control because you figure you can beat her ass. You then blame that on her as if you had no choice. It's odd that you had a choice if a man hit you though. You prefer to "teach a lesson" which flies in the face of your above point of "emotional self regulation". If they need to be regulated, why do you say they can regulate themselves? Why don't the men also need to be regulated or is your concern only those weaker than you?

The truth is you are a reactionary creature but not a moron. There's no danger in slapping most women, so that's really why you're doing it, because you can get revenge and not pay the penalty of a beat down.

[Nathan89]

This was the first mention of treating women like children. You claim that I treat women like children because I do not strike back, as if that means I don't hold them accountable. They can be accountable without being hit. I could easily file charges on a woman who went overboard and assaulted me. I could do a number of things. Hitting back is a gut reaction that you just don't control because you figure you can beat her ass. You then blame that on her as if you had no choice. It's odd that you had a choice if a man hit you though. You prefer to "teach a lesson" which flies in the face of your above point of "emotional self regulation". If they need to be regulated, why do you say they can regulate themselves? Why don't the men also need to be regulated or is your concern only those weaker than you?

The truth is you are a reactionary creature but not a moron. There's no danger in slapping most women, so that's really why you're doing it, because you can get revenge and not pay the penalty of a beat down.

That wasn't the only reason I claimed you treat women like children.

Did I say that? I don't recall that feel free to quote me.

I believe they can regulate themselves but choose not to because most "men" allow them to hit on them. They simply don't self regulate like regular adults because people treat them differently. Which leads them to hitting people. Then men like you excusing these actions because they are emotional.

If I am incapable of regulating someone how do suppose I do that?

I just want to give them what they deserve. I can't give it to someone larger than me because I'm not capable. You want to allow these action to persist into the future towards a growing number of people. I don't. BTW, the cops aren't going to do . Tbh, you are more likely to get in trouble than she is unless you have witnesses.

[DMC]

That wasn't the only reason I claimed you treat women like children.

Irrelevant. You introduced the accusation but I've showed that it applies to you instead.

Did I say that? I don't recall that feel free to quote me.

Variables to consider before hitting a 90yo is that they have a good chance of being senile. Also hitting them not going teach them a lesson that will prevent them from hitting other people for the next 30+ years.

I believe they can regulate themselves but choose not to because most "men" allow them to hit on them. They simply don't self regulate like regular adults because people treat them differently. Which leads them to hitting people. Then men like you excusing these actions because they are emotional.

So you think they have a choice when they hit but you do not?

If I am incapable of regulating someone how do suppose I do that?

So you make the assessment on the fly that a man can get away with hitting you but a woman cannot.

I just want to give them what they deserve. I can't give it to someone larger than me because I'm not capable. You want to allow these action to persist into the future towards a growing number of people. I don't. BTW, the cops aren't going to do . Tbh, you are more likely to get in trouble than she is unless you have witnesses.

When you say "I want to...", why do you want to? Are you trying to serve a higher purpose? Isn't it a retaliation that you feel comfortable initiating? If you want to give them what they deserve, you would have to know them. Just because someone hits you doesn't mean they deserve to be hit back (old men for example, they are weaker and you can hit them and not worry). So it comes down to whether or not you can get by with hitting back. Of course I want to hit them when they hit me, I want to knock the out of them initially, but I don't. That's called restraint. You can deal with them without hitting. Hitting back just means you get hit again, possibly by the man in the scene who you won't be able to regulate.