1. Dejuan Blair, Gary Neal For Patrick Patterson
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aczbwdd
Spurs would essentially be trading for Patterson to replace Blair. Patterson is 6'9 with a 7 1/2 arm span. He has lottery talent and is physical in the post. He has yet to find a a consistent spot in Houston. Blair giver Lin and Harden a good pick and roll finisher Blair is fairly athletic and can maneuver in midair to avoid getting his shot blocked. also a great offensive rebounder. Neal is a lethal scorer who has yet to average more than 20 minutes a game but has average 9pts and shoots 40% 3pt for his career. Blair is unrestricted FA and will likely walk Neal will likely receive a 3-4 year offer worth about $12-15 as a RFA. Patterson has another season for $3+ million.
2. Stephen Jackson, Dejuan Blair and Gary Neal for Al Jefferson & a future 2nd round pick
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bsjh7j8
By acquiring Jefferson the Spurs would have the inside track to resign him for a 5 year deal in the off-season. He could give the Spurs a consistent low post option and a solid rebounder. He also is a fan of Duncan and will be able to play along side him. Jefferson has been in the NBA since 2004 (8 seasons) yet has made the post season once and was swept out. A trip to the Conference Finals and beyond could influence him to stay.
Jackson is an expiring contract (like Jefferson). They likely won't keep Jefferson because Favors is younger, rapidly improving and extremely cheap. Jackson could be a rental for Utah, He plays the year out and is off the books. Blair and Neal would be in the same situation both could be gone at the end of the season but if they impress the could both be brought back for relatively cheap prices. Neal would fit well in Utah, Utah lacks great perimeter scoring and he is that.
3. Tiago Splitter, Matt Bonner, Cory Joseph for Tyrus Thomas
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b36w6pq
This would be the most drastic of the 5 trade idea's. Splitter is viewed as Duncan's eventual replacement, Joseph as potentially Parkers and Bonner is ....Bonner.
Tyrus Thomas is a PF however can defend some wings (possibly Dirk or Durant). He is very athletic and has long arms as well. He could be very useful defending the pick and roll and has always been a solid shot blocker. Keeping Jackson in this deal would also be a great bonus. As the spurs could occasionally go big with a Parker, Leonard, Jackson, Thomas, Duncan lineup that could force turnovers and have just enough offense to outscore their opponents. (especially if Manu gets injured again)
The Bobcats would get a talented, but inconsistent, Center who would become by far their best big man. He is an excellent pick and roll player and could, given enough playing time turn into someone like Gortat on Phoenix. If they like him the can offer him a qualifying offer and match any offer that seems reasonable. Matt Bonner is for the most part in this trade for the salary. He would essentially be there to the end of the season. He could be waived afterward for $1 million dollars. Joseph provides the Bobcats with young talent (they don't have a ton of it) He could recieve semi consistent playing time in the NBA instead of the D- League. He also would seem to fit with The Bobcats defensive team. The Bobcats could also save more than $20 million dollars should the let all three walk next off season. By Moving Thomas they could also have enough cap space to sign talented role players to add depth around their draft picks (like the Hornets).
4. Gary Neal, Matt Bonner & A 2nd round pick for Jason Thompson
The Kings have alot of "depth" on their roster. They have 3 point guards, 2 are starting caliber PGs ( Thomas, Freddette, Brooks). 6 wings, 4 of which make more than $5 million (Thorton, Salmons, Evans, Garcia, & Outlaw) and 6 bigs (including Cousins, Robinson, ,Thompson, & Hayes, ). They resigned Thompson to a 5 year deal so he can't be traded until January.
The problem is that he will be splitting time with a better player in Robinson who will likely play alot of minutes as a rookie. They also have to decide if they are going to match Evans (the Rockets might force them to overpay to keep him). By moving Thompson for Neal and Bonner they get cap relief Neal may end up impressing and resigning in the off season especially if Evans leaves and Freddette gets traded. Bonner could be waived for $1 million dollars.
Thompson is 6'10 agile and athletic for a big man. He isn't known for his defense but could learn basic help and rotation defense. His career numbers; 27 min, 10.7ppg, 7.2rpg, .8 bpgs. would be perfect off the bench.
5. Matt Bonner for Joell Anthony and a 2nd round Pick.
The heat get a player who arguable to best stretch big man in the NBA his career 3pt % is 41.6% (last seasons league average was 34.7%). He could be valuable is small minutes especially in small ball lineups. He would save them $2.8 million if he is waived before next season. Anthony gives the Spurs a shot blocker who is a decent rebounder. He also rotates well and could cover the weak side. The Spurs would also get a 2nd rounder to potentially draft and stash. The Spurs would lose some cap flexibility because Anthony has a $3.8 million player option that he will pick up.
I don't see anything there that's a difference-maker for the Spurs except the Jefferson trade, and no way Utah takes that little for him.
I'd look to trade Splitter and pieces for Varejao (who is apparently available) or Ilyasova (slow start, maybe Bucks would move him but probably not).
I'm a little skeptical on the Spurs taking another Jefferson.
Tyrus Thomas is a bad player.
Am I mistaken, or didn't we just win? What inspired the trade thread? 5-1
The only realistic trade partners for the spurs would be houston bucks and minnesota
spurs could get udoh/sanders/henson/dalembert from the bucks since theyre loaded in the frontcourt
houston has royce white/montejeunas/terrence
minnesota will probably be looking to trade derrick williams
all 3 teams need more depth on the wing and have abundance of young forwards who need more minutes then theyll get
For anyone who has watched Tyrus Thomas play in the past year, then you'd know why trade option #3, while the most drastic of the trade options, is also the most ridiculous. As someone stated earlier, Thomas has devolved into a bad player as isn't worth even half of what was proposed in that trade scenario.
Would a Blair + Neal + 1st rd pick work to get Ed Davis?
I disagree. He isn't nearly as bad as you're making him out to be. In limited minutes he's averaging 7.3 ppg & 1.3 bpg off the bench. He has a history of producing in limited minutes. He's Derrick Brown but more talented and less question marks. The only reason why i would hesitate is because of his two years $17 million remaining deal. But worst case scenario he could be amnestied.
Alot of free time on my hands and the internet at my disposal.
I actually really like our squad overall
but just wanted to look into some move that were possible.
A 1st round pick would be a little much. Davis ,at least this season, hasn't been very good but Blair is likely gone and Neal could cost $4 million a season after he hits RFA.
his problem is motivation though isn't it? just like diaw, who the heck wants to try when they're in charlotte? i mean, i'm still not sold on him and wouldn't want to roll the dice, but i'm sure his downfalls are mostly a matter of effort
@ kings taking bonner in scenario 4 for jason thompson
I was all in for him a couple of years ago, when he was in Chicago and when rumors of the Spurs interest became public. Don't get me wrong, compared to Bonner, I'd take him in a heartbeat. I just don't thing you give up the kind of assets you're talking about in exchange for Thomas, as this point in his career.
This trade scenario is the one that makes the most sense.
He cannot be amnestied.
How is Amir Johnson not available? I mean, they have Bargnani, Valanciunas, Ed Davis, Gray, & McGuire. He isn't playing a lot, & they could definitely use some guard depth and shooting which the Spurs have.
Ah...Gotcha...
Tyrus Thomas? lol. the AL Jefferson deal would never happen. I would love to see Patrick Patterson but Houston likes him, so I don't see that happening either. The Varejao trade would be great short term, and I guess with Duncan's age thats what we're shooting for. I see no reason for Cleveland to pull the trigger based on how well he's played this year
I thought his contract was apart of the old CBA. Am i wrong?
Fair enough. I just think that his versatility is an asset and with the right coach and system he's would be worth a shot.
If a player is traded, then the option to amnesty goes away. They have to be with their original team that gave them the current contract in order for the amnesty to be used.
They can't keep both Jefferson and Milsap there long term. Might as well move the best of the two before he walks in Free agency. That being said another team could make a better offer. Varejao is definitely a short term option but he contract expires the same time Duncan's does ,i believe.
I doubt many spurs fans want to trade jax, but with his current contract he's more than likely going to have to be a trade piece. No other teams want Bonner/Blair. I have been saying this for years now. If anyone wanted either, they'd be gone by now...I'd prefer Jackson stays, unless he's involved in a trade that brings a defensive big. If they can make it happen..he gets sent packing imo.
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