They were never actually sent. FBI alleges they had private e-mail accounts and would write the e-mail and store it in the draft file...then the other one would log on and read the draft.
That is interesting. I assume they figured that was a clever way to avoid a paper trail of emails. Don't you get the impression that this was all more than anyone wanted to know? That nobody wanted to find this out, that when they found it out they wanted to keep it quiet, and then when Clapper told Petraeus that he ought to resign, he was the only person in the government who thought that was the right thing to do?
Interesting read...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-revealed.html
long article...partial quote
Whatever transpired, the FBI agents found no indication that it cons uted a crime or a threat to national security. They confirmed this when they interviewed Broadwell and then Petraeus. They are both said to have been forthcoming and consistent, even telling the agents more than they already knew.
Petraeus seems to have been the first guy in memory not to lie about sex. And a good thing too, because lying to a federal agent is a crime. Martha Stewart found that out the hard way.
By that point, FBI headquarters almost certainly had been notified. One former agent with extensive experience estimates that it would have taken no more than 24 hours for word to get to Director Robert Mueller. A case that might never have been if the agents in Tampa had heeded their initial misgivings now presented the head of the FBI with a predicament in which there were no happy options.
In all electronic surveillance, including emails, the FBI is legally compelled to adhere to the principle of “minimization,” limiting the invasion of privacy as much as possible to what is specifically warranted. This applies even when a case involves the worst kinds of criminals.
This was, is, a trick used by terrorists.
Repugs are having 3 different Congressional hearings just this week for what appears to be a non-crime and not covered by any laws (not so far. Repugs LOVE legislation about sex and vaginas).
another weird wrinkle: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...n-for-alleged/
"The reason the FBI had jurisdiction is because cyber-harassment is a federal crime, and once the FBI got to Broadwell they uncovered the affair."
gfy
Lots of moving parts to this....very weird.
cut the MIC budget by $200B/year
Jill Kelly is a freaking MILF. Apparently others agree.
the Repugs are trying to stick someone for a coverup crime, preferably Barry, not the FBI for investigating cybercrime.
Is the FBI going to prosecute this cybercrime? why not so far? they have evidence for months. GFY
lol simpleton
I have a hard time believing all of this is happening over just an extramarital affair.
Its the potential for information exchange among persons with extraordinary access to sensitive data that's the kicker.
Supportive of your position: The most recent reporting (I think it is on CNN's website) is indicating that in a speech she gave after the Benghazi incident she told an audience that 'they probably didn't know' that the CIA had detained a couple of Libyan terrorists in the Benghazi embassy annex, and there was some indication that the attack was an attempt to free them.
Two problems with what she said: 1) She shouldn't have known that - and the CIA is denying it now, and 2) If it was true (regardless of what the CIA says) then they were in violation of an executive order signed in January of 2009 specifically denying the ability of the CIA to detain foreign nationals in American embassies.
So, either she was talking out of school about something she shouldn't have had access to, and/or she was outing the CIA for doing something that they were explicitly told not to do. Either instance could have gotten Petraeus in hot water.
Eyup. Everything she has said in the last few years is now going to be put under a microscope for that reason.
What will happen now, is the inevitable "why didn't Obama know sooner" charge from GOP congressmen.
As one analyst familiar with investigations noted (paraphrasing) "They keep this stuff from the administration on purpose to avoid compromising the investigations until most of the evidence is in with charges of 'it was politicized'".
If Obama's upper level people had known, the charge would then have been " how as it politicized" ala the Benghazi attack.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Lots of rather complicated legal issues involved that will be glossed over by oversimplifications I'm sure. Taking time to understand the whys and wherefores takes more effort than most will bother with, once they find a narrative they like in the simplifications.
The notification status thus far...(certainly susceptible to future changes).
"One of the law enforcement officials who spoke to the AP said long-standing Justice Department policy and practice is not to share information from an ongoing criminal investigation with anyone outside the department, including the White House and Congress. The official said national security must be involved to notify Capitol Hill, and that was not the case in the Petraeus matter."
http://www.wfaa.com/news/national/Pe...179055881.html
Yup. There is more to it, and a few laws that may or may not be applied from what I understand. Again, a fast moving story that will have the relevant legal issues vetted by lawyers with far more expertise than you or I. I will wait for that.
It is a complex decision with a lot of factors. I am hesitant to second guess people in those situations, as it is usually not clear. legal duty to tell, not to tell, what is the trigger, who to tell, etc.
At least we don't have the election pending to make it all more hyper-politicized than it should be. We have a (small) chance at a cogent, relevant discussion.
General demoted for lavish travel, spending
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has demoted the former head of U.S. Africa Command who was accused of spending thousands of dollars on lavish travel and other unauthorized expenses, a senior U.S. official said Tuesday.
Panetta stripped Gen. William "Kip" Ward of a star, which means that he will now retire as a three-star lieutenant general despite arguments from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff against the demotion. Ward also has been ordered also repay the government $82,000.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/art...ng-4033204.php
The Petraeus Scandal Takes a Turn for the Shirtless
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/natio...irtless/58935/
This keeps getting better and better. And by "better and better" I mean "ew"
Jon Stewart on Paula Broadwell interview: 'I'm the worst journalist'
In the hours after David Petraeus’ cheating scandal broke on Friday afternoon, a Jan. 25th appearance made by his biographer and alleged mistress Paula Broadwell on “The Daily Show” quickly began making the rounds online. Viewed with the benefit of hindsight, Broadwell’s gushing interview is full of inneuendo: She praises the retired general’s energy, talks about his speedy recovery after a pelvis injury and even suggests that he can “turn water into bottled water.”
But no, in case you were wondering, Jon Stewart had no idea anything was up. In fact, he was mostly just distracted by Broadwell’s toned physique. “The whole time I was just thinking how defined her arms were and trying to think of another version one of my classic I’m-an-asthmatic-old-Jew joke,” he said. “I'm the worst journalist in the world. For God’s sake the le of her book was ‘All In.’”
After scrutinizing himself, Stewart turned his critical gaze to pundits who’ve rushed to find a link – any link – between the Petraeus scandal and the Obama administration. As for the suggestion that the administration held back the news about the affair in order to boost Obama's re-election chances, Stewart pointed to the fact that Rep. Eric Cantor, the Republican House Majority Leader, reportedly knew about the relationship in October -- weeks before the president.
Then there's the idea, spouted by the indefatigable conspiracy theorists at "Fox & Friends," that Petraeus was ousted so that he wouldn't be able to testify about the attack on Benghazi. Too bad this isn’t true, because, as Stewart pointed out, “quitting is different from dying.”
As for the comparison made by conservative columnist Peggy Noonan (among many, many others) between the scandal and the Showtime drama “Homeland,” Stewart wasn’t convinced. “It's not ‘Homeland, it's ‘Melrose Place,’” he said.
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/71.../p2p-73291722/
They used Dropbox.
I think she is pretty, but I still prefer Kate bolduan.
This scandal just keeps getting broader and broader and may be, in the end, one of the most classic examples of the Law Of Unintended Consequences known
to man.
Don't you just figure that the original Kelly woman regrets ever having asked someone to pursue this (especially since her emails with General Allen have come out)?
And don't you just know that the FBI guy who originally pursued it for her, later notifying Cantor's office of the investigation and is now under investigation himself
is going home at night saying "oh sh*t!
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