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    Fuzzy does have a point there though.

    The word is a bit archaic, something like "eskimo" for Innuit peoples and "oriental" for Asians.

    We could probably find a better word that doesn't have the historic baggage, at the risk of being politically correct. FWIW.

    Not that I think it hugely important. It is far less important than finding solutions, to me.
    I don't disagree with the finding solutions part but discounting rhetoric and what it implies in a policy-making environment is folly.

    Fact is that people don't much sympathize or care about the plight of others and discount their situations out of hand. That is as much of a source of a/the 'problem' as there is. This is not directed at 101 but most the time when you see that it is because they are trying to keep the 'problem' at arms length and refer to it in terms that are dismissive. Combine that with groupthink and you have what you have. The Deep South is absolutely twisted with that phenomenon.

    I personally do not give a if people are offended. I think that should be obvious. What I do give a about is people seeing things as they are and not as they try and characterize such as to ignore.

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    Oh yeah GOD was soooooo unfair... He destroyed Earth after Noah, his father, and grandfather (Methuselah) had preached about the impending destruction for over 100 years... I mean geesh... how long did it take Noah and his sons to build the ark? Over a hundred years... the people that mocked him probably sounded much like yourself calling GOD a liar and all...
    please don't tell me you think the Earth is 5000 years old.

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    It's not data. It's an anecdote.

    Do you really think they are 'massaging' murder and rape crime?

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    Why did god feel the need to just destroy it all?

    Did he need a mulligan?
    To make petroleum oil for the 20th century. Duh! /sarcasm.

    Perhaps to wipe the evil seed of the Nephalim from earth.


    Look, I have to call it a night... people to see, things to do, food to eat... peace out!

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    To make petroleum oil for the 20th century. Duh! /sarcasm.

    Perhaps to wipe the evil seed of the Nephalim from earth.


    Look, I have to call it a night... people to see, things to do, food to eat... peace out!
    Convenient.

    Is that really the only way to get rid of seeds?

    I wonder how many innocent babies god killed in the deluge. Anything about that in the bible?

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    It's not data. It's an anecdote.

    Do you really think they are 'massaging' murder and rape crime?
    See teaspoon of sewage in a barrel of fine wine metaphor.

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    Oh yeah GOD was soooooo unfair... He destroyed Earth after Noah, his father, and grandfather (Methuselah) had preached about the impending destruction for over 100 years...
    Yeah, pretty unfair considering we don't have to do anything but believe nowadays.

    Why didn't God form a new covenant as soon as Adam bit the fruit?

    I mean geesh... how long did it take Noah and his sons to build the ark? Over a hundred years... the people that mocked him probably sounded much like yourself calling GOD a liar and all...
    I'm actually mocking you and calling you a liar.

    Geesh!

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    See teaspoon of sewage in a barrel of fine wine metaphor.
    http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.co...ime-stats.html

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    I wonder how many innocent babies god killed in the deluge. Anything about that in the bible?
    or yet to be born babies. sounds like a gods abortion.

    well, he's here to teach!

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    To make petroleum oil for the 20th century. Duh! /sarcasm.

    Perhaps to wipe the evil seed of the Nephalim from earth.


    Look, I have to call it a night... people to see, things to do, food to eat... peace out!
    Noah was obviously a sinner too.

    Why wouldn't God destroy everyone + Noah (in a more humane manner than drowning) and go back to making a new Adam in a new Eden?

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    See teaspoon of sewage in a barrel of fine wine metaphor.
    That is because one bad ingredient changes the flavor of the food detrimentally. I get that. Cooked asparagus and brussel sprouts stink like and if their juice intermingles with your other accoutrements it just s everything up. Don't tell me to just eat around it. YOU CANNOT!!!

    Does a gratuitous shoplifting enforcement policy ruin the national crime statistics though?

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    Noah was obviously a sinner too.

    Why wouldn't God destroy everyone + Noah (in a more humane manner than drowning) and go back to making a new Adam in a new Eden?
    Look up Nephalim if you are not familiar with what they are and then you know what you are dealing with. He is gone but I wonder if he really thinks the flood was to wipe out the spawn of man and angel.

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    http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...vidence_em.php

    Found that TB. Does sound like you have a very valid point. Begs the question of where is the political will to push such action coming from? Municipal politics doesn't get talked much around here.

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    It's a combination of one's fruits, the genuineness of one's repentance of the heart when he/she stumbles, and one's faith which gets measured whenever the "type" of tree (good or bad) that we represent is assessed...
    And you are qualified to make this assessment?

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    And you are qualified to make this assessment?
    I am guessing it's just regurgitation.

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    http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...vidence_em.php

    Found that TB. Does sound like you have a very valid point. Begs the question of where is the political will to push such action coming from? Municipal politics doesn't get talked much around here.
    What's that old saying? All politics are local?

    Dallas is re ed in many ways. Unfortunately, they are not the only burg that claims that trait. Makes me want to look harder at aggregated stats when I see a local story like Dallas. They're the teaspoon of sewage.

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    What's that old saying? All politics are local?
    Whups. Looked that up. Tip O'Neill. The context of the original statement makes that a non sequitur in the above usage. Doh!

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    Look up Nephalim if you are not familiar with what they are and then you know what you are dealing with. He is gone but I wonder if he really thinks the flood was to wipe out the spawn of man and angel.
    If he really believes it, then I wonder what his explanation is for why they show up later.

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    If he really believes it, then I wonder what his explanation is for why they show up later.
    Well, they were really tall.

    It's also hard to believe no one else in the world had a damn boat.

    Or that there just isn't that much water around to flood the whole earth. Did god make more? Or did he melt the ice caps? Did he flood everything up to 29,000 feet? If so, did he pull some global warming to keep everything from freezing up there?

    So many questions....

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    So many questions....
    I'm extremely certain he would answer those questions if he didn't have to call it a night... see people, do things, eat food..

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    Yeah, because it was just like this.
    RG supplied his own strawman, no doubt to needle you, but there were similarities. legally speaking, women were chattels in Texas until the early 1970's. could not make a contract, buy a house or a car without husband or father countersigning. there was also less social stigma attached to beating wives and children like chattel -- paternalism has its problems, even here in the good old USA.

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    Anyways, the passages you cited don't include the full context
    In what possible context could the slaughtering of every single man, woman, and male child in a city ever be considered a moral act?

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    If you had a garden, and saw that you needed to pluck out a few weeds knowing that if you didn't pluck them out that they would eventually overrun your garden, wouldn't you do it? The better question is, why wouldn't you?
    I would indeed pluck weeds out of a garden.

    Are thinking, feeling people the same as weeds?

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    Is burning in for all eternity (infinite punishment) for a finite sin of not believing in God consistent with this loving-ness?

    It's pretty clear to me from the passage I cited (did you even read it?)... your confusion stems from the fact that you so willingly want to render the whole concept null by discrediting what you simply don't and can't understand, thereby justifying your own disbelief. That's why you are unable to reconcile what you read with your own sense of judgement (and since you've hardened your heart you are therefore blind to an understanding of scripture itself).

    Anyways, the passages you cited don't include the full context of how GOD assessed the situation, and despite the extreme nature of His justice those passages portray His ultimate grace and mercy. For that matter, we cannot weigh the merit of GOD's judgements because we ourselves are imperfect and injust. If you had a garden, and saw that you needed to pluck out a few weeds knowing that if you didn't pluck them out that they would eventually overrun your garden, wouldn't you do it? The better question is, why wouldn't you? GOD 'cut' perverse generations from among Israel's neighboring nations because they were idolatrous, evil, people - but in doing so He prevented the proliferation of countless of other souls which would have su bed to the same evil practices. GOD exists outside of time and acted in perfect harmony with His Justice and Holiness.

    Now, under the grace provided by the New Covenant (paid for by Christ's blood) the full delivery of GOD's justice will be delayed until Judgement Day.

    Which brings me to your next post....
    None of that really answered my question.

    In your opinion, is infinite punishment for finite crimes consistent with loving-ness?

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    Oh yeah GOD was soooooo unfair... He destroyed Earth after Noah, his father, and grandfather (Methuselah) had preached about the impending destruction for over 100 years... I mean geesh... how long did it take Noah and his sons to build the ark? Over a hundred years... the people that mocked him probably sounded much like yourself calling GOD a liar and all...
    There was no such flood.

    Why would the bible talk about something that didn't happen as if it did?

    Alternately:

    There is no evidence of any global flood that I am aware of. Please present some. Your claim, your burden of proof.

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