Republicans caught between a rock and a hard place

[baseline bum]

Why do conservatives seem to act like our empire runs on waving American flags and renditions of God Bless America?

[Clipper Nation]

Why do conservatives seem to act like our empire runs on waving American flags and renditions of God Bless America?

That's just neoconservatives, tbh... neocons aren't too bright and so any lame advertising trope will convince them of , hence all the flag-waving from neocon politicians when it's either election season or time to go to war...

[Wild Cobra]

The two go somewhat hand-in-hand, don't they? If middle class wages ROSE, then you would have less people who need/qualify for that welfare.

Why should the middle class be getting any assistance? It shouldn't change the numbers.

What percentage? The amount on welfare? Because the number of people with wages that have stayed stagnant over the past few years is a lot higher than those on welfare.

I'm not talking about wage stagnation, though that is a problem too. I'm talking about the people who are OK with living off the system. people who would work if it was made harder to stay in the system.

How can it have nothing to do with the rich? The rich are the "job creators", right?

Not all are. A handful of them are. primarily the small businesses who's taxes you want to raise.

So they're the ones in charge of determining salaries. As mentioned before, CEOs and other management figures have seen THEIR salaries raise greatly. So how come the "little guy" isn't seeing that? What's your reasoning?

CEO's are a different story. Income tax rates don't affect them much because they get most their money by stocks, or other m4ans taxed ax a lower rate, outside of the income taxable.

Look at it this way... when people talk about capital gains tax compared to income tax, no one talks about it as redistributing from the lower to the upper classes.

It isn't. When you are paying, it isn't the poor money moving to the rich through the IRS.

It's always talked about as "money for the job creators".

Where? Alternet? Other places like that which lie?

We're losing tax money off of them,

That takes the authoritarian at ude that it doesn't belong to them in the first place. That you allow them to keep what you say they can keep. Which communist leader do you follow the teachings of?

and look at all the people like yourself who are saying that the middle class should have to kick in more instead.

In some cases, yes. The single person under our system is taxed too much. There are simply too many credits and benefits in the tax code when there are children. Rather than give all tax payers more and more credits, maybe we should just increase the Earned income Credit. As much as I diskile its usage, I prefer simplicity in the tax code.

Who are the people who are exporting jobs overseas?

The corporations. They are forced to because of tax codes and regulations. They can no longer compete making the products here.

[SnakeBoy]

By not driving us even further into debt that will eventually have to be paid, so an indirect benefit to the people.

100 billion a year on a 1.1+ trillion dollar deficit...sure we won't go even futher into debt lol.

[SnakeBoy]

Really? Are you going to suggest the debt problem can only be solved on the spending side? The consensus is we need $4t debt reduction over 10 years . This gets us 1/4 of the way.

Never suggested that. Spending cuts plus tax increases (including the middle class) are what I have said in other threads. We can start with the rich and when that doesn't solve any problems maybe someone will have the balls to make the middle class pay their fair share.

[Wild Cobra]

Never suggested that. Spending cuts plus tax increases (including the middle class) are what I have said in other threads. We can start with the rich and when that doesn't solve any problems maybe someone will have the balls to make the middle class pay their fair share.

That's just it. If we are going to increase taxes, it isn't going to do unless we cause equal suffering at all tax levels. There just aren't enough rich to matter. You could confiscate all their wealth, and what would that accomplish?

[baseline bum]

100 billion a year on a 1.1+ trillion dollar deficit...sure we won't go even futher into debt lol.

lol those tax cuts not making a difference, epsecially when Romney wanted to extend them even farther and wipe capital gains to zero while increasing military spending to

[Wild Cobra]

lol those tax cuts not making a difference, epsecially when Romney wanted to extend them even farther and wipe capital gains to zero while increasing military spending to

I don't recall seeing that.

Link please.

[baseline bum]

http://roadmap.republicans.budget.ho.../?IssueID=8514

[Wild Cobra]

http://roadmap.republicans.budget.ho.../?IssueID=8514

That link does not say what you did.

No wonder I didn't see it. It doesn't exist.

[baseline bum]

Not my faullt you can't read.

[Wild Cobra]

Not my faullt you can't read.

Then quote the relevant passage. Where does Romney say that?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He took Paul 'Path to Prosperity' Ryan as his running mate and you are asking for proof that he was going along with GOP budget plans?

Clueless and dumb. I mean he kept on talking about how we needed more ships, planes and really expensive and partnered with the guy who writes the GOP budget proposal.

I guess you are waiting on the transcripts.