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    Some numbers around making baking a public utility:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-ban...-world/5311833

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    By borrowing from their own publicly owned banks, governments could eliminate their interest burden altogether. This has been demonstrated elsewhere with stellar results, including in Canada, Australia, and Argentina among other countries.

    In 2011, the US federal government paid US$454 billion in interest on the federal debt – nearly one-third the total $1,100 billion paid in personal income taxes that year. If the government had been borrowing directly from the Federal Reserve – which has the power to create credit on its books and now rebates its profits directly to the government – personal income taxes could have been cut by a third.

    Borrowing from its own central bank interest-free might even allow a government to eliminate its national debt altogether. In Money and Sustainability: The Missing Link (at page 126), Bernard Lietaer and Christian Asperger, et al, cite the example of France.


    The Treasury borrowed interest-free from the nationalized Banque de France from 1946 to 1973. The law then changed to forbid this practice, requiring the Treasury to borrow instead from the private sector. The authors include a chart showing what would have happened if the French government had continued to borrow interest-free versus what did happen. Rather than dropping from 21% to 8.6% of GDP, the debt shot up from 21% to 78% of GDP.

    “No ‘spendthrift government’ can be blamed in this case,” write the authors. “Compound interest explains it all!”
    Nationalize the bankers....why, that's socialism...


    That is exactly the remedy to crush our outstanding debt though..

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    Only a blind partisan sheep would ever think nationalized banks would be anything but a disaster.... first of all, considering how untrustworthy the government is with our tax dollars, why should they get to handle the rest of our money?

    Second of all, the House of Representatives tried to run their own bank for a while and it failed miserably because all the crook politicians bounced all their checks and overdrew... again, why should we trust people who we know are unable to run a bank to handle our money?

    The bankers' control over our economy actually comes through the Federal Reserve and special interest cronyism... it is completely enabled and encouraged by the federal gub'mint, on both sides of the aisle...

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    Only a blind partisan sheep would ever think nationalized banks would be anything but a disaster.... first of all, considering how untrustworthy the government is with our tax dollars, why should they get to handle the rest of our money?

    Second of all, the House of Representatives tried to run their own bank for a while and it failed miserably because all the crook politicians bounced all their checks and overdrew... again, why should we trust people who we know are unable to run a bank to handle our money?
    Congress already delegates the money...so what is the difference really?

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    Yes, and Congress ing sucks at delegating the money to begin with... the gub'mint also sucks at coining/printing the money, as we have a fiat currency....

    You wouldn't keep your money in a privately-owned bank that is in bed with corrupt people and embroiled with overdrafting scandals and inep ude.... why would you trust your money with the gub'mint?

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    Your talking in circles...why should we pay interest to borrow the money which we can just print?

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    Your talking in circles...why should we pay interest to borrow the money which we can just print?
    You do realize "just printing" the money does nothing but debase our currency even more, right?

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    You do realize "just printing" the money does nothing but debase our currency even more, right?
    really? So we have run away inflation and the dollar is worthless since the government has been printing money like crazy for years now....

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    really? So now we have run away inflation and the dollar is worthless since the government has been printing money like crazy for years now....
    That's what we're headed towards unless we bring back sound-money principles..... hyperinflation doesn't come immediately, and it takes a while to develop, but once you hop on the fiat money train, failure is inevitable...

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    Which brings this all back to a point I made in another post ...why not just print 16 trillion dollars and pay off all our debt? There would be trillions more dollars to invest and our debt would be paid in full...

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    That's what we're headed towards unless we bring back sound-money principles..... hyperinflation doesn't come immediately, and it takes a while to develop, but once you hop on the fiat money train, failure is inevitable...
    Have you checked out long term interest rates? I'm talking 30 year projections...You can't even beat inflation right now... it's a losing proposition...yet people keep lending the US credit hand over fist...

    I wonder why?

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    Which brings this all back to a point I made in another post ...why not just print 16 trillion dollars and pay off all our debt? There would be trillions more dollars to invest and our debt would be paid in full...

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    A truly mind-numbing conundrum.....


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    Have you checked out long term interest rates? I'm talking 30 year projections...You can't even beat inflation right now... it's a losing proposition...yet people keep lending the US credit hand over fist...

    I wonder why?
    You clearly have no idea how interest rates work, because they're artificially manipulated by the Federal Reserve... it's basically price-fixing on a grand scale in a delusional effort to delay the hyperinflation that is the inevitable conclusion of a fiat money system, so to judge the health of our economy on interest rates is just plain dumb...

    Rounds and rounds of price fixing and QE from the Fed have devalued our currency little by little, encouraged malinvestments, driven up the price of commodities, and hurt the purchasing power of the middle class... this is the biggest reason why our economy is in the ter, and telling the federal government to spend even more of our tax money on owning and operating all the banks doesn't solve anything....

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    A truly mind-numbing conundrum.....

    No, just laughable, as you don't seem to understand that "just printing money" without tangible wealth behind it is by definition inflationary, and destructive to our currency...

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    Rule number 1: Never use Argentina as an example of economic prowess... they still hold the record for biggest debt default at $95 billion...

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    You clearly have no idea how interest rates work, because they're artificially manipulated by the Federal Reserve... it's basically price-fixing on a grand scale in a delusional effort to delay the hyperinflation that is the inevitable conclusion of a fiat money system, so to judge the health of our economy on interest rates is just plain dumb...
    Well it's obviously one big conspiracy theory...or not.

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    Believe it or not, the federal deficit has fallen faster over the past three years than it has in any such stretch since demobilization from World War II.

    While long-term deficit reduction is important and deficits remain very large by historical standards, the reality is that the government already has its foot on the brakes.


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    Well it's obviously one big conspiracy theory...or not.
    Well, no, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's fractional reserve banking...

    9/11 twoofer suddenly flip-flopping and trusting the gub'mint

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    Rememba det time a certain poster went from being a Ron Paul supporter who complained about fractional banking to being a Mitt Romney supporter

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    So basically we should just borrow from ourselves at 0% interest which isn't really borrowing at all in essence it's just creating more dollars out of thin air. Sounds nice like having a money tree, but what's the stop the government from just printing up trillions whenever they feel like until the dollar isn't worth anything? Without the threat of interest these guys would just borrow infinite amounts and never pay it back because we owe it to ourselves anyway, the end result would be an ever expanding money supply and mass inflation. It would be a convenient way for the government to tax the people any time they wanted with an inflation tax, instead of raising the money through tax revenues they'd just make it up out of thin air any time they wanted. How could an adult with a functioning brain even think for a second that this would work? TBH by all means go create your own 3rd world banana republic and print the money all you want, but I don't wnat the government being able to debase my savings at any time they want. And we all know how responsible the government is and how much they care about us...it would be on the honor system.

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    "Only a blind partisan sheep would ever think nationalized banks would be anything but a disaster"

    The for-profit banks are ALREADY a disaster, in USA, Europe, Spain, Ireland, Iceland, and you and your ilk are obviously OK with it.

    And there is absolutely no doubt there will be another horrible deep, long depression to repeat the current one (if we ever exit this one), and again, it will caused exclusively by the unregulated, unpoliced financial sector.





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    I'm not okay with crook private banksters, but I'm also not under the delusion that the same government who's in bed with the crooks would make for excellent bankers themselves....

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    So for you, there's way to un America from cluthches of the corrupt, thieving financial sector? There's no alternative to even try?

    iow, ...

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    So for you, there's way to un America from cluthches of the corrupt, thieving financial sector? There's no alternative to even try?

    iow, ...
    It's called sending the crooks to jail and voting out the politicians who enable them...

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