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    And does every one share your belief?

    Look at the hatred these people have to deal with. The pettiness of others demanding more from them. They already pay more than most in taxes, but the "little people" want them to pay more. Don't you think they get a bit frustrated with the pettiness of others?
    Look at the hatred poor people deal with. Look at the hatred immigrants have to deal with. Look at the hatred transgendered people have to deal with. Guess what? Everyone hates everyone else.

    And the whole "They pay more"... who cares? Are you arguing that everyone should have to pay the exact amount in taxes? Because if not, then what's your point?

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    WC, defending the predatory, thieving. corrupt 1%.

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    rich folks already have their taxes sheltered somewhere else... high taxes just makes it a hassle to move it back here, that's all. They love their money more than they love their country, no doubt about it.

    WC's knobslobbing of the rich folk is up there with 'benevolent dictators'... it only makes sense in the mind of an idiot
    Not all do. Is it fair for those who don't?

    What you butthurt liberals are advocating for is wrong. It isn't fair. Want to equalize things, remove all the loopholes.

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    What loopholes need to be removed?

    Be specific.

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    Look at the hatred poor people deal with.
    Not very many hate poor people for being poor.
    Look at the hatred immigrants have to deal with.
    Who hates immigrants? Do we have racists here? Noe I want to deter illegal immigration, but I don't hate them. I understand their reasons.
    Look at the hatred transgendered people have to deal with.
    Yes, most people think they are strange. I do too. Is that hate? I'm sure a large number do hate them though.
    Guess what? Everyone hates everyone else.
    Yes.

    It's called bigotry.

    Being a racist is just one type of bigot. All are equally wrong.
    And the whole "They pay more"... who cares? Are you arguing that everyone should have to pay the exact amount in taxes? Because if not, then what's your point?
    Not at all. I am pointing out that they pay more because they make more. Raising the percentage they pay isn't right, unless you are going to impose equal suffrage at all taxation levels.

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    What loopholes need to be removed?

    Be specific.
    Too many. No thanks Chump. Include deductions, as that is the primary cause of them paying less in taxes.

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    Too many. No thanks Chump. Include deductions, as that is the primary cause of them paying less in taxes.
    In other words, "Get rid of teh loopholes!" is a Conservative talking point you regurgitated but don't specifically know what loopholes.

    Name one specific loophole/deduction/whatever that you think needs to be removed and briefly say why. Just one specific example. One.

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    Not very many hate poor people for being poor.
    Oh, yes, they hate them for taking money out of their pockets. I guess the poor should just starve quietly.

    Who hates immigrants? Do we have racists here? Noe I want to deter illegal immigration, but I don't hate them. I understand their reasons.
    I didn't mean you did. But plenty of others do.

    Yes, most people think they are strange. I do too. Is that hate? I'm sure a large number do hate them though.
    Exactly.

    Yes.

    It's called bigotry.

    Being a racist is just one type of bigot. All are equally wrong.
    I wouldn't necessarily say that... I would say hating nazis isn't quite as bad as hating blacks. But yes, your larger point stands.

    Not at all. I am pointing out that they pay more because they make more. Raising the percentage they pay isn't right, unless you are going to impose equal suffrage at all taxation levels.
    Wait, that makes no sense. There's NEVER been a flat tax imposed by America. So why should we suddenly start now? How is "raising the percentage" not right? Do rich people not receive the benefits of bending politicians to their will?

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    Yeah, he doesn't hate them; he just wants to personally slaughter them, their wives, and children at the border.

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    Wait, that makes no sense. There's NEVER been a flat tax imposed by America. So why should we suddenly start now? How is "raising the percentage" not right? Do rich people not receive the benefits of bending politicians to their will?
    What do you mean it makes no sense? I would prefer a flat tax if we are going to maintain an income tax system, but I have already advocated that it's all or nothing. If the rich's taxes will return to pre Bush tax cuts, then so does everyone's. Since I have been a tax payer, the federal tax burden has moved from maybe 75% of income workers, to 53%%. They keep decreasing tax rates, but then never touch that third rail to return the people's rates back up who have lesser incomes.

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    Yeah, he doesn't hate them; he just wants to personally slaughter them, their wives, and children at the border.
    Do you ever get things right? Why are you chronically wrong?

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    Not all do. Is it fair for those who don't?
    The real rich folks do... it's not even a question unless you're absolutely in denial...

    And when we talk fairness, it would be good for you to remember that wealth in this country has largely moved up non stop lately. (and before you reply with you usual stupid 'wealth is dynamic! comment, the amount of wealth being dynamic doesn't change that fact at all).

    So yeah, I think it's fair to ask for a little more of those who have been largely doing well... heck, better than anybody else.

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    What do you mean it makes no sense? I would prefer a flat tax if we are going to maintain an income tax system, but I have already advocated that it's all or nothing. If the rich's taxes will return to pre Bush tax cuts, then so does everyone's. Since I have been a tax payer, the federal tax burden has moved from maybe 75% of income workers, to 53%%. They keep decreasing tax rates, but then never touch that third rail to return the people's rates back up who have lesser incomes.
    They decrease the rates for the middle class because the middle class tends to put money into the economy. My point was, is that America has never (AFAIK) had a "flat tax". So America has been "unfair" since it started taxing income.

    Additionally, the whole "but the rich pay more" is a dumb argument, unless you argue that every person should just pay 5 dollars or something. There's literally no point bringing up that point.

    And they're flirting with the third rail now... many LIBERALS are advocating going off the fiscal cliff, noting that it will raise taxes on the middle class again. (Of course, they're hoping that Republicans will repeal that part, but still, it is certainly being mentioned.)

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    I've been saying for a long time we are doomed. Until we stop subsidizing as many people as we do, we will continue to decline wealth as a nation. With 47% of the income tax filers not paying income tax and getting redistributed wealth... Can you imagine when that goes past 50%... We already have too many polirticians elected that advocate redistribution of wealth. Cross that 50% point, and watch out!

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    I've been saying for a long time we are doomed. Until we stop subsidizing as many people as we do, we will continue to decline wealth as a nation. With 47% of the income tax filers not paying income tax and getting redistributed wealth... Can you imagine when that goes past 50%... We already have too many polirticians elected that advocate redistribution of wealth. Cross that 50% point, and watch out!
    We are subsidizing the wealthy. Raising taxes on the hourly workers at McDonald's isn't going to make our national wealthier or reduce the deficit in any serious way especially because they'll need social safety net programs even more so.

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    We are subsidizing the wealthy.
    If so, we need to put an end to that.
    Raising taxes on the hourly workers at McDonald's isn't going to make our national wealthier or reduce the deficit in any serious way especially because they'll need social safety net programs even more so.
    I didn't know hourly workers at McDonalds could have their taxes raised except in rare cases. A single mother with one child would have to work full time and then overtime as well at McDonalds wages to pay any federal tax.

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    I had ready the tax information from 1986 to 2011. I adjusted for COLA between these times and came up with the following. A single person today can make 33% more today before having a tax liability vs. 1986. A family of 4 can make 65% more before paying taxes. The single provider of two children can make 71% more before having a tax liability.

    Think, people, think!

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    More like: In the 1950s & 1960s when the rest of the world was still recovering from the most destructive war in the history of mankind our economy was booming.

    You want that back?
    Bomb the out of the rest of the world.

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    More like: In the 1950s & 1960s when the rest of the world was still recovering from the most destructive war in the history of mankind our economy was booming.

    You want that back?
    Bomb the out of the rest of the world.
    It won't work.

    Our factories that supported all this were here. Now they are in other countries.

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    Do you ever get things right? Why are you chronically wrong?
    I am flat out fed up. Yes, if they will not do these other things, then I say shoot them as they cross. I would go and take my rifle if it was legal to shoot them.
    ... I say place kiosk operated machine guns on the border and post a sign that says BYOB... Bring your own Bullets!

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    Context is everything Baseline idiot.

    "Yes, if they will not do these other things, then I say"

    You left out the context asshole.

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    You are clearly misinterpreting what WC said! No where did he say specifically to kill the wifes/children!

    He was only advocating shooting full grown s! You are a hater!

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    You are clearly misinterpreting what WC said! No where did he say specifically to kill the wifes/children!

    He was only advocating shooting full grown s! You are a hater!
    If there was a real threat to crossing the border, think people would... at least in the numbers they do?

    We do have a right to protect our nation from invasions...

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    If there was a real threat to crossing the border, think people would... at least in the numbers they do?

    We do have a right to protect our nation from invasions...
    You are a sick individual.

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