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You missed the point.
What if the outward drift is 1" now, but -2" before, and later will be -1", then to 2", etc.
What is, at times, it gets closer. Not farther year by year?
Please....
Don't tell me you believe things are consistent over time...
Does it matter if its 4 inches or one inch? The facts are the moon couldn't be where it is today after 2 Billion years let alone 4 billion years.
Because the universe is constantly expanding. Remember the "big bang" ? If your going to use Science then you have to defends its bull theories.
You guys crack me up you support science and Darwin and wind up contradicting your own beliefs because the text books are full of lies and lies are hard to cover up you have to be very sharp and remember which lie you said and when.
You want to toss out big bangs and expanding universes like a trigger happy sheriff but as soon as someone calls you out on it you want to say "it's been discussed already"?
Forget the moon what about Saturn's rings? Science claims they are separating each year. If you go back only "one Billion" years the rings would be to tight the whole theory goes to .
I'm not here to belittle you but you have to realize the crap your trying to feed me is old outdated and full of lies.
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You missed the point.
What if the outward drift is 1" now, but -2" before, and later will be -1", then to 2", etc.
What is, at times, it gets closer. Not farther year by year?
Please....
Don't tell me you believe things are consistent over time...
I don't know if mouse is for real or extremely re ed.... Either way he must live a sad life.
If you really think moons and planets suddenly stop and by some sort of unknown force start to move in the opposite direction then your either severely misguided or you must have the best weed money can buy.
Then that says it all if you can't figure out the difference between someone with a mental handicap compared to someone who went to MIT
Your way off base I have a dream job , sex when I want, and a killer weed connection that would make a high times centerfold.Either way he must live a sad life.
I work only 4 days a week which is playing on the laptop or eating, I'm off 3 days were I drink free beer and produce Do entary films when not educating the misguided people in an online debate. So to be quite frankly I love my life. But since your life is soooo important and (Un-sad)
Your welcome to join in on the debate and showcase your vast knowledge in this subject matter.
It isn't an unknown force. Just like the earth's eccentricity, obliquity, and precession changes, so do all planets. They interact with each other. There could always be some unknown mass in the past that altered the moon's orbit, or any other planets orbit.
Bottom like is...
We don't know.
I think it's safe to say the drift rate has changed.
Then why have it in the school text books?
I appreciate your semi non bias takes on this subject your one of the few that at least looks into other possiblities.
Ok skip the planets and moons lets move on to what we "do" know.
Scientists claim the Mississippi river loses around a football field size area of mud every 30 minutes to an hour.
If the earth was only "1 Million" years old the Mississippi river should be wide enough to fit Texas inside and you want to claim the earth is "4 Billion" years old?
You won't even get an argument from mouse on that.
look around, I'm not alone.
Yeah you are. The voices in your head don't count.
All those talented people and yet we still don't have a cure for the common cold?
I'm sure this child with cancer would love some of your science action figures to play with.
The Irony of your action figures is when it comes to curing a deadly disease they don't seem to go into any action at all.
Top 10 Cures That Didn't Work
http://science.discovery.com/top-ten...res/cures.html
Top 10 Science Mistakes
http://science.discovery.com/top-ten...stakes-01.html
Oh Mouse, falling back on your "why doesnt science fix diseases?" shtick.
You understand there are different fields right? I hope you dont expect astrophysicist to cure cancer, or an Archeologist to figure out the cause of birth defects.
The fact that your falling back on this (which I called out several pages ago) means you are backed into a corner.
As far as your moon theory, I already covered this as well... Your under the assumption that the moon is the same age as the earth. Im not going to detail it for you again but the quick jist of it is that the moon was most likely formed by a large body collision with the young earth creating an accretion disk which eventually formed into the moon.
Scan back a few pages or look it up yourself.
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I'm sure the Cancer patients agree with you. It must be nice to have a disease free life for you and your family how does it feel to be immune to Cancer?
Before you answer have huge piece of wood handy to knock on.
You do realize there are medical scientists in the action figures group right?You understand there are different fields right? I hope you dont expect astrophysicist to cure cancer, or an Archeologist to figure out the cause of birth defects.
the fact that you don't know I am replying to Agloco and he is bringing up old so that is why I re post previous is not being in a corner it's wathching Agloco hit another dead end and all you Darwin worshipers in here hit that dead end months ago.The fact that your falling back on this (which I called out several pages ago) means you are backed into a corner.
I thought you only post the facts what's this "most likely" ?As far as your moon theory, I already covered this as well... Your under the assumption that the moon is the same age as the earth. Im not going to detail it for you again but the quick jist of it is that the moon was most likely formed by a large body collision with the young earth creating an accretion disk which eventually formed into the moon.
scan back further and read where you didn't answer my questions.Scan back a few pages or look it up yourself.
psssssssst! page 28
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My mom died with cancer in 2006. But she didnt die because of the cancer, she died from surgery. I know full and well what cancer patients and their families go through. If it wasnt for advances in science, she would have died long before that.I'm sure the Caner patients agree with you. It must be nice to have a disease free life for you and your family how does it feel to be immune to Cancer?
Before you answer have huge piece of wood handy to knock on.
I honestly dont understand this question.You do realize there are medical scientists in the action figures group right?
replay with quotes next time, I rarely visit your conspiracy/magical threads anymore so I dont read everything... They are just for my amusement now tbh. You've been proven wrong time and time again, its just funny now.the fact that you don't know I am replying to Agloco and he is bringing up old so that is why I re post previous is not being in a corner it's wathching Agloco hit another dead end and all you Darwin worshipers in here hit that dead end months ago.
Science isn't averse to admitting it is wrong, in fact, thats the greatest virtue of science... With as large as the universe is there is a possibility for anything. You have to allow for that. Having said that, the evidence we have now points to the conclusion I posted and is supported by most of the leading scientists in the respective fields regarding this in the world.I thought you only post the facts what's this "most likely" ?
again, like I said, I check these type of posts now for my amusement... I might go back and check on it, the difference is though that I base my claims on verifiable data from leading scientists.... you get your data from conspiracy theorists and quack psuedo-scientists who are shunned from the major fields.scan back further and read where you didn't answer my questions.
psssssssst! page 28
She didn't have to.
So now that granny is gone science can slack off and take it's time finding a cure?But she didnt die because of the cancer, she died from surgery. I know full and well what cancer patients and their families go through. If it wasnt for advances in science, she would have died long before that.
What about those who's Grandmothers just found out today they now have a disease that should have been cured around 1989?
Use any scenario you wish the bottom line is this what roach fossil on mars we can find for 4.6 Billion dollars is more important than what causes Autism. It has nothing to do if your an "atheist" or bible thumper.
So you need to back off on all the meaningless insults and put downs cancer has no preference on who its strikes next.
You said "you do know there are other types of science, right ?" and I mentioned how 25% of the Scientific Action figures above studied medical Science. I know the difference from all the different careers in the Science industry and it is big business.I honestly dont understand this question.
Translation: Do all the work for me.replay with quotes next time,
There lies the rub. You see phyzik you can't go around belittling me if you haven't read the whole topic. how do you know i already didn't kick everyone's ass? You notice they just post jpegs and Googled images and have nothing to add to the topic?II rarely visit your conspiracy/magical threads anymore so I dont read everything.
t's because I asked them questions they could not answer properly, like I asked you and you have yet to reply back.
Dude you can't have it both ways try and laugh at me and yet you have no idea what the debate is about. either your in or your out.
You come across as a Mouse hater and that is no way to be seen online as a unprepared debater who hasn't at least a 10th grade education.
look at what i have to say and disprove it leave the sarcasm and insults in the recycling bin.
well you don't read them all so how would you know?They are just for my amusement now tbh
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Post the link were i was proven wrong. it's the other way around i exposed Science and Darwin lovers for what they really are a bunch of God hating assholes who have the attention span of a Goodwill employee.You've been proven wrong time and time again,
its just funny now.
You went and pulled out the Get out of jail card so soon? the Bull backpedaling science is constantly revising itself and learning ?Science isn't averse to admitting it is wrong, in fact, thats the greatest virtue of science..
That is another way of Scientists saying we ed up and we still want to still look smart. Let a creationist be wrong about Noah and you guys will be on that persons ass like justin bieber entering a prison cell of full of horny Back men on death row .
go ahead hide behind that old bull excuse. Science is never wrong they have an out.
Translation: We really have no idea about the Universe and we are still in shock they actually put in the text books the solar system is 12 billion years old when we aren't even sure how Stonehenge was built. This is so cool some old bearded opium smoking hippy lives on an Island and wites a book to tell people they evolved from a snail and they bought that ?With as large as the universe is there is a possibility for anything. You have to allow for that. Having said that, the evidence we have now points to the conclusion I posted and is supported by most of the leading scientists in the respective fields regarding this in the world.
The intelligent Darwin worshipers must laugh hour on end as they can't believe that made it into the school text books?
These guys must jack off to the movie planet of the apes on a weekly basis.
and I prove you wrong and you leave and come back 10 pages later.again, like I said, I check these type of posts now for my amusement... I might go back and check on it, the difference is though that I base my claims on verifiable data from leading scientists..
.. you get your data from conspiracy theorists and quack psuedo-scientists who are shunned from the major fields.
And we all know phyzik gets his data from Bill Nye himself.
Mouse. You claim to have gone to MIT. You have a working knowledge of the theory of relativity?
Now remember that God is telling Moses the creation. From his viewpoint, in words of the Hebrew language.
Imagine God, starting the Big Bang. The temperature, heat, and gravity. With time Every doubling of the expansion, represents a day of time from God's perspective. From out current perspective, day 1, from God's perspective could be 8 billion years. Day 2, 4 billion years long, etc. etc. until day 6 was 250 million years long.
How can Bill Nye disagree with this theory?
Saturn's rings statement debunked:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE240.html
Moon age statement debunked:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE110.html
These two dumb ideas have been debunked repeatedly, by multiple people and this information has been given to you. The only reason you re-state it repeatedly, even after having been shown it is wrong is to get a rise out of people.
Either that or you are too lazy or stupid to bother comprehending it.
Which is it, lazy and stupid or trolling?
I know it is the latter, but you can lay claim to the former if you really want.
It was a 12 week reverse engineering class back in 1986 not everyone who attends MIT studies theory of relativity and Science.
I don't support the Bible we have been over this.
Using what to create the explosion?Imagine God, starting the Big Bang.
I don't disagree with that point who is to say what a "day" really is? Man created time using sunrise and sunsets and with the 12 month orbit called it a year.The temperature, heat, and gravity. With time Every doubling of the expansion, represents a day of time from God's perspective. From out current perspective, day 1, from God's perspective could be 8 billion years. Day 2, 4 billion years long, etc. etc. until day 6 was 250 million years long.
It could very well be called a day, That still doesn't explain how the solar system is "12 Billion" years old the evidence shows otherwise..
Buy doing some "real" research and calculating time it takes for fossilization to occur. Looking at the Earths erosion patterns.How can Bill Nye disagree with this theory?
And the 100s of other facts that show the Earth is not "Billions" of years old.
Response:
1. Saturn's rings may be less than 100 million years old (Cuzzi and Estrada 1998). However, that says nothing about the age of the planet. The rings could have formed when Saturn captured a small moon that fell within the Roche limit (the distance below which moons will be pulled apart by tidal forces). This could have happened any time in Saturn's history.
You call that scientific evidence debunking? You can't tell a judge in court when he ask how old you are and if you have a drivers license.
"well judge I may be 21 or I may be 17.. I could have a drivers license and I may have a car.
Where is the Scientific proof? That lame webpage is by a man named Mark Isaak, Do you even know who he is?These two dumb ideas have been debunked repeatedly, by multiple people and this information has been given to you. The only reason you re-state it repeatedly, even after having been shown it is wrong is to get a rise out of people.
Either that or you are too lazy or stupid to bother comprehending it.
Which is it, lazy and stupid or trolling?
I know it is the latter, but you can lay claim to the former if you really want.
I just remembered why I avoid debating with you just can't reply w/o your immature outdated insults can you?
On a side note before I place you back on the no reply to list.
Your Buddy Mark Isaak has been known for hating creationist and even has a book called The Counter-Creationism Handbook.
Nice try bringing a Bible hating book author to a scientific debate.
But you should know that since your not lazy and stupid
Last edited by mouse; 11-27-2012 at 05:25 PM.
[QUOTE=mouse;6210579]You can't read that site only suggest a different prospective they don't claim to actually debunk anything.
here is an actual quote.
"your not" LOLResponse:
1. Saturn's rings may be less than 100 million years old (Cuzzi and Estrada 1998). However, that says nothing about the age of the planet. The rings could have formed when Saturn captured a small moon that fell within the Roche limit (the distance below which moons will be pulled apart by tidal forces). This could have happened any time in Saturn's history.
You call that scientific evidence debunking? You can't tell a judge in court when he ask how old you are and if you have a drivers license.
"well judge I may be 21 or I may be 17.. I could have a drivers license and I may have a car.
Where is the Scientific proof? That lame webpage is by a man named Mark Isaak, Do you even know who he is?
I just remembered why I avoid debating with you just can't reply w/o your immature outdated insults can you?
On a side note before I place you back on the no reply to list.
Your Buddy Mark Isaak has been been known for hating creationist and even has a book called The Counter-Creationism Handbook.
Nice try bringing a Bible hating book author to a scientific debate.
But you should know that since your not lazy and stupid
Anyway, you don't debate, you just repeat.
You never learn, you never abandon ed ideas when given better information.
You just wait a few days and repeat the same ed ideas as if no one has ever shredded them for the idiocy they are.
One doesn't have to do much debunking when the underlying ideas you are pushing are basically, fundamentally, flawed.
Both the Saturn's rings idea and the moon distance idea are based on the same logical premise:
That the current rate can be used to calculate an actual age.
The current rate cannot be used to calculate actual ages for either. Neither can the rate at which the sun is currently shrinking.
It is all basically flawed simply because you have to know two things:
1. Is the rate the same now as it was in the past?
2. When did the clock start ticking?
You don't know what the rate of the moon receding, or the rate at which Saturn's rings 100 years ago, let alone 1,000 or 1,000,000 years ago.
This makes your entire ed idea, ed.
It is ed because if your starting assumption is bad, then the calculation is bad.
Take the statement:
I ride my unicorn to work.
This is obviously a ed statement. Unicorns don't exist.
Therefore I can't ride one to work.
"Using todays rate for X, I calculated the age of Y"<< this is a ed statement.
Is it ed, because your entire calculation is based on the assumption that the rate has never changed, something you have no evidence about.
Do you understand you have no evidence about the past rate of the moon receding or how fast Saturns rings were dissipating?
Happy birthday Bill
why didn't the black guy dress up more. jeans? shirt is too loud also
Ok Random lie you want to be the rain man of Saturn, go right ahead. I will be sure to look you up first before I try Google next time.
But what about the earth slowing down 1.4 milliseconds that has to be added to the clocks.
Multiply 1.4 milliseconds by 4 Billion years how fast would the Earth be spinning?
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