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Good points. I always attributed steroids to increased muscle mass. I'm not exactly sure what they do, but what you said makes sense.
Look at Shaq or Wilt and tell me muscle does not help as much as in baseball? Moreover, PED's is not all about muscle ("Tour de France" guys are not exactly big).
Someone like Parker is not big, but his game relies on his speed and body control.
Imagine what he could do with improved Stamina? If he could just be in "attack mode" for 40 mpg and every game while harassing his opponent on defense.
And what about Manu? Playing 40 mpg he could have been a 25/6/6 player and in the conversation for best SG with Kobe and Wade.
Obviously basketball is a very physical game and PED's could give a player some tremendous help.
Good points. I always attributed steroids to increased muscle mass. I'm not exactly sure what they do, but what you said makes sense.
lol at the thought of proffesional athletes not taking advantage of lax anti-doping controls.
While I agree that there was players using PEDs, I don't believe it's neccessarily JUST the guys OP thinks they are. . .I also don't agree that Tim Duncan is one of the players who may be doing it, though obviously I'm biased in that regard. Still, my rationale with that is that Duncan has been steadily productive for his entire career, and dropped far off the table from one season to the next while struggling with his knee.
In 2011 (Duncan's worst season), I recall multiple times where he stumbled to the floor because his knee gave way. He seemed to be playing hurt all year. Last year, his stats improved, though were still down from 2 years prior. This year, his stats only look so impressive in contrast because he's averaging 3 more minutes per game than the last 3 years. If you look at his per 36 stats, they aren't much higher.
Compared to his worst season in 2010: PPG up 4.6 points (getting 2 1/2 more shots a game), rebounds up 0.7, assists down 0.4, blocks up 0.3.
Not a big difference besides getting more shot attempts in along with his extra 3 minutes a game, which is why he's getting the extra shot attempts. His FG% is also up 1.7%, and his FT% is up 4.4%. Offensive boards down 0.7. Fouls up 0.3.
I think you're reading too far into Duncan's stats OP. You should've just looked at the minutes, and stats in said minutes. It's pretty much an anomally for playing an extra 10% of minutes per game early in this season. Less blowout wins (many close games), so he's been playing the full game a lot of the time, rather than get much time for rest. Stats go up as a result.
Solid reply dude, I agree with all of those reasons for why some of the players who are playing extended careers are haivng success.
It isn't like there are boatloads of 38 year old athletic freaks littering the NBA.
didnt maradona use PED, i didnt see it benefit hiim in anyway
Oh but it does. To say steroids wouldn't help someone in basketball is pretty crazy. I've played basketball since I could walk...and after high school I decided to mess with anabolics as my attentions turned more to weight lifting...at my optimal weight of ~210lbs, I was a monser...small guys didn't stand a chance and the bigger guys were to slow...at 6'1" I could also all of a sudden dunk very easily...it wasn't until my weight gains got out of hand that I lost it all...so basically, if done properly ped's can be a huge advantage to just about any athlete. To say they wouldn't help really shows a lack of true knowledge.
is the dream team immunue from drug testing for olympics and wc?
I would honestly question the exact opposite kinds of people that the OP is.
Biggest suspects imo are guys who were super athletes at very young ages. i.e., at barely 20 they have gigantic muscles, can jump up and dust off the top of the backboard, and/or are fast as despite their big sizes. People like Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard, LeBron James, Blake Griffin, etc.
Players who don't rely on athleticism to do their thing (Duncan), should be near the bottom of the list of suspects. They refer to players with his kind of moves as having an "old man's game" after all, since you don't have to rely on athleticism to get the job done. . .unlike Westbrook, D. Wade, Dwight Howard, etc.
Nope, but there are ways to hide PED use. If you know how to hide it and haven't used for a long period of time like 2-3 months, it's pretty much undetectable at that point.
Maradona was on cocaine early on in his career.
I can't even imagine what he could have done if he could stay clear of that.
Very much agree.
I'd be VERy surprised that serious doping tests would not eliminate these monsters.
Wake me up when this in the interest of the NBA business.
More than 66% of professional athleres in the USA are on PEDs/hormones.
Part of being a professsional athlete. Dont kid yourself.
As for TD, hes overhauled his game. Lighter, less posts, etc. And he has never been muscular or has he packed it on for his 16th season. If anything, he may be the cleanest guy out there.
Yep. Way too many top athletes have gotten rolled for PEDs in sports who decided to start testing for them, then as soon as there's ever a crackdown in any sport. . .hey look, suddenly stats are dropping INSTANTLY across the board. I'm not sure if NBA stats would drop way off the table due to the nature of the game, but I suspect there would be a lot less players who have insane 40"+ verticals or 4.2 second 40 yard dash times.
Basketball spin doctors have done a good job of acting like it doesn't effect their sport by preying on ignorance of how steroids work and what they effect. "What good is homerun power in the NBA?", as if that's all roids do. . .add 20% to your home run totals. -_-
Eventually there will be a big reveal on them for professional basketball like there was in baseball, but it won't happen until enough people start demanding it. NBA isn't gonna drum up a strict drug policy by itself since there's no money in it.
A big misconception of steroid use is they make you all bulky and huge. This can definitely be the case if that's the goal, but is far from the only reason to use. Athletes of all shapes and sizes use. In sports, I'd say the biggest advantage is recovery time. As we get older, we need more and more time to heal up and rest after an Intense workout(or game). Then theres the injuries and healing time. The roids can make you heal much faster, if taken properly. It basically turns you into your own version of superman. The testing in pro sports is pretty pathetic if you ask me. Much of the stuff is also undetectable. If you were an athlete and millions of dollars were on the line, you'd take every advantage to;-) I would bet the house and pool that 66 %, as mentioned above, is low. The question we, as fans ask ourselves...how much fun would sports be if everyone was natural? Baseball sure has taken a nosedive since the "steroid era". Is football next? Back to leather helmets?
To the post above, I wasn't trying to be mean. It just bugs me when people try to talk about this particular subject in such a negative manner. I use to be one of them myself. However, if done properly steroids can do wonders. Most of the athletes are under a doctor's supervision..lucky bas s.
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