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    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
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    A player that's a liability at the end of games and gets constantly in foul trouble. tbh, Shaq back in the day at least would knock down 1 of 2... if not both.

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    He's a top 10 player, but you've gotta question if his teams can ever win a championship with his free throw shooting this poor. Shaq could, but Howard ain't Shaq.

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    Hate his game. Always have. I honestly think he's borderline top-10. Top 10 players are typically guys you can build around, meaning you can implement them in virtually any type of offensive/defensive system, surround him with a variety of players and expect success. Lebron, Dirk, Duncan are examples of this. They can play with shooters, slashers, athletes, veterans, etc. They can play in an up-tempo or grind-it-out system. It matters not. Dwight needs a very specific roster build of shooters to mask his many offensive weaknesses.

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    Amazing how playing alongside a selfish got that won't concede even a little bit of protagonism will do the perception others have of your game.

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    ? The Lakers would have 3 wins total if Dwight didn't have to carry 4 grandpas on defense. Top 2 talent.

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    Are you watching games ? right now offensively he looks like , unless dunking or shooting a lefty hook.

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    He is playing terrible. Worst of all, his FT% is horrible, great way to grab wins from the Lakers is to collapse on the guy.

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    Hate his game. Always have. I honestly think he's borderline top-10. Top 10 players are typically guys you can build around, meaning you can implement them in virtually any type of offensive/defensive system, surround him with a variety of players and expect success. Lebron, Dirk, Duncan are examples of this. They can play with shooters, slashers, athletes, veterans, etc. They can play in an up-tempo or grind-it-out system. It matters not. Dwight needs a very specific roster build of shooters to mask his many offensive weaknesses.
    C'mon on now, dude needs a stud next to him to cover up his defensive shortcomings.

    Dwight is definitely a top 10 player, I mean everybody is saying he's playing like crap and he's still getting you 18ppg on 58% shooting, 10.6 rbds, 2.7 blks and 1.3 stls per game. Dude will fill up the stat sheet just by standing there.

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    C'mon on now, dude needs a stud next to him to cover up his defensive shortcomings.

    Dwight is definitely a top 10 player, I mean everybody is saying he's playing like crap and he's still getting you 18ppg on 58% shooting, 10.6 rbds, 2.7 blks and 1.3 stls per game. Dude will fill up the stat sheet just by standing there.
    Dirk's "defensive shortcomings" are an overblown myth. Sure he isn't Hakeem Olajuwon, but he's not exactly Al Jefferson, either. During the Mavs' championship run, he shut down Gasol and Bosh's , most of the time in one-on-one coverage with Chandler patrolling the weak side. I think Spurfans have a warped perspective of Dirk's ability on the defensive end from watching all those prime-Dirk/prime-Duncan matchups, in which Duncan would abuse him on the low-block. The very fact Dirk even had to guard Duncan on the low-block for any amount of time shows just how many ty centers Dirk's been paired up with (Bradley, Dampier, LaFrentz, etc) before Chandler's arrival.

    As for Dwight, he's a monkeyballer who doesn't make anyone better and is only a decent scorer when it's all but a sure thing. Every point he gets is from put backs, intentional fouls to send him to the line, and dunks/layups via deep position right under the basket. Asking this guy to make a decent post-move 5 feet and out is like asking Kool to become a heterosexual. It just ain't in his nature.

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    For a 'dominant' defensive presence, he sure as heck gets in foul trouble a lot. He also doesn't seem to instill much fear on that side of the court either. Just look at today's game, Hill went right at him and over him for the last two baskets.

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    He's easily a top 10 player. But he certainly hasn't been a top 10 player yet THIS season. I'm sure he'll bounce back, but i think the one called "mamba" might be holding him back

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    As ty as the East conference has been these last 20 years or so I really much doubt a non-top 10 player could have lead his team to the NBA finals with Hedo Turkoglu as his best teammate, imho.

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    For a 'dominant' defensive presence, he sure as heck gets in foul trouble a lot. He also doesn't seem to instill much fear on that side of the court either. Just look at today's game, Hill went right at him and over him for the last two baskets.
    He's very overrated on that end, as well. He's pretty much the best defensive big by default, since other than Chandler, bigs don't seem to play defense anymore. But he's a far, far cry from Hakeem, Robinson, Mutombo, etc. He just jumps around and blocks shots. He's a decent paint anchor, but nowhere near the level of the aforementioned.

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    As ty as the East conference has been these last 20 years or so I really much doubt a non-top 10 player could have lead his team to the NBA finals with Hedo Turkoglu as his best teammate, imho.
    And how bad was Dwight in the Finals? When he finally faced a team with a good frontline, he was neutralized something fierce.

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    Right now I would rank ahead of him in no specific order:
    - Lebron
    - Durant
    - Duncan
    - Carmelo
    - CP3
    - Wade
    - Kobe
    - Bosh
    - Harden
    - Love
    - Varejao
    - Davis

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    Right now I would rank ahead of him in no specific order:
    - Lebron
    - Durant
    - Duncan
    - Carmelo
    - CP3
    - Wade
    - Kobe
    - Bosh
    - Harden
    - Love
    - Varejao
    - Davis
    this better be a joke. anthony davis has played in like 3 games, verajao is no where near as good as dwight thats just laughable, and bosh/harden is pretty ridiculous too. yeah dwights having a bad year but gtfo with verjao being better than dwight at any point in dwights career

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    Varejao, Davis, Bosh, Harden, Love, and Melo

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    this better be a joke. anthony davis has played in like 3 games, verajao is no where near as good as dwight thats just laughable, and bosh/harden is pretty ridiculous too. yeah dwights having a bad year but gtfo with verjao being better than dwight at any point in dwights career
    Based on performance this year, there's a legitimate case for Varejao being better than dwight right now. Dude looks really solid, while dwight has been seriously struggling.

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    Based on performance this year, there's a legitimate case for Varejao being better than dwight right now. Dude looks really solid, while dwight has been seriously struggling.
    Dwight, seriously struggling: 18ppg on 58% shooting, 10.6 rbds, 2.7 blks and 1.3 stls per game

    Duncan, MVP candidate: 18.7ppg on 52% shooting, 10.1rbds, 2.3 blks and 0.8 stls per game.

    Yeah, I know Dwight plays a lot more minutes and in reality Duncan is playing much better than what his numbers indicate but I'm just trying to show how good Howard is. When you are struggling and still put those kind of numbers you're a top ten player in the league, imho.

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    Based on performance this year, there's a legitimate case for Varejao being better than dwight right now. Dude looks really solid, while dwight has been seriously struggling.
    but that's just relative to expectations. in terms of who is outplaying themselves, verajao is far and away having the better season. dwight is a top 10 player easily, which is more because no one in the nba is really big enough to stop him from dunking as oppose to him actually being a good big man tbh. one can only imagine what the nba would be like if duncan or dirk were blessed with that athleticism

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    According to Hollinger's math, all those guys are better... some substantially better:


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    ^ actually, Wade is worse per Hollinger, but we all know Wade is in a lull right now

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    remember last season summer he said he was workin on his post game with hakeem, none of that is shown....

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    He's very overrated on that end, as well. He's pretty much the best defensive big by default, since other than Chandler, bigs don't seem to play defense anymore. But he's a far, far cry from Hakeem, Robinson, Mutombo, etc. He just jumps around and blocks shots. He's a decent paint anchor, but nowhere near the level of the aforementioned.
    Honestly, even Mutombo was a far cry from Olajuwon and Robinson.

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    According to Hollinger's math, all those guys are better... some substantially better:

    Wait, so Orlando should have done the Brooke Lopez trade?

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